New bridge tolls

[shaun b]

Easy solution: learn how to get around the area without paying tolls. When we're driving on 101 heading north of the South Bay area we tend to use the Golden Gate Bridge heading north, and the Richmond Bridge heading south. If we're heading north towards I5 we'll take the 680/580/205/5 route instead of using the Benicia Bridge.

I'd love to see the milage difference on that in addition to the time differences :

$5 in gas goes quick in a car or pickup.... and my time is worth something also.

a bike will use $5 longer, but still..... LOL

edit, i see you're refering from south bay to sac and north, your route makes sence then.

going anywhere in the north bay from east or south bay, you gotta toll it. in at least one direction

 

[bluenoser]

Simple solution: wheelie across the bridge when towing a trailer with your bike, to bring the number of effective axles back down to two. Y'all obviously have not thought this through.

Oh, and "you're welcome".

 

[Cincinnatus]

Or set up a hitch carrier on your moto, that way you stay at two wheels.

Makes splitting a right PITA, but you're saving money, right?

 

[iehawk]

Too much math for the average drivers out there... hope this doesn't slow the traffic down even more.

 

[RRR70]

The real question is: why the hell would you want to?

Trying to escape?

 

[clutchslip]

Minor rant:
I have a small trailer 7X12 with dual axles. I haul two bikes in it. I pay the same as some giant multi-ton commercial pig that is making money and damaging the roads. The system is flawed. In fact, because of California taxation, like this one, many companies have traded dual axles for single rear axle trucks that haul the same weight. This means that their damage to the roads is even worse, but they pay less than I do in toll fees.
/minor rant

(Yes, I do the bridge toll avoidance trick when going to Sears Point or Thunderhill.)

 

[ALANRIDER7]

Minor rant:
I have a small trailer 7X12 with dual axles. I haul two bikes in it. I pay the same as some giant multi-ton commercial pig that is making money and damaging the roads. The system is flawed. In fact, because of California taxation, like this one, many companies have traded dual axles for single rear axle trucks that haul the same weight. This means that their damage to the roads is even worse, but they pay less than I do in toll fees.
/minor rant

(Yes, I do the bridge toll avoidance trick when going to Sears Point or Thunderhill.)

The same applies to the speed limit stupidity in California. Whether you're hauling a 400 pound motorcycle or 40,000 pounds of potatoes, the speed limit is 55mph statewide.

Just because you have another axle?

 

[bluenoser]

Minor rant:
I have a small trailer 7X12 with dual axles. I haul two bikes in it. I pay the same as some giant multi-ton commercial pig that is making money and damaging the roads. The system is flawed. In fact, because of California taxation, like this one, many companies have traded dual axles for single rear axle trucks that haul the same weight. This means that their damage to the roads is even worse, but they pay less than I do in toll fees.
/minor rant

(Yes, I do the bridge toll avoidance trick when going to Sears Point or Thunderhill.)

one word- hovertrailer.

 

[SLOspeed]

Great, how to get from Oakland to SF w/o a toll? ..minus points for personal submarine.

Figure out which which sensors at the toll booth don't get triggered by your bike? There are at least 2 that my KLR doesn't trigger. Not my fault if their equipment is malfunctioning.

 

[hyo650]

Figure out which which sensors at the toll booth don't get triggered by your bike? There are at least 2 that my KLR doesn't trigger. Not my fault if their equipment is malfunctioning.

wanna bet?

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

I'd love to see the milage difference on that in addition to the time differences :

According to Microsoft Streets & Trips, from our house which is a couple of miles south of the 101/280/680 interchange to the intersection of 101 and 12 in Santa Rosa:

• 280 to 880 to 580 (Richmond Bridge) to 101 = 103.2 miles plus toll
• 101 through SF (Golden Gate Bridge) = 112.4 miles no toll
• 280 through SF (Golden Gate Bridge) to 101 = 114.3 miles no toll

So, avoiding the Richmond Bridge toll costs us either 9.2 miles or 11.1 miles. Coming south we use the Richmond Bridge (no toll).

$5 in gas goes quick in a car or pickup.... and my time is worth something also.

Even if we were driving our motorhome at 8 mpg the toll on the Richmond Bridge going north, or the Golden Gate Bridge going south, is still more expensive than the gas we'd burn by avoiding the toll.

a bike will use $5 longer, but still..... LOL

If I was on my bike I might just break down and pay the toll.

going anywhere in the north bay from east or south bay, you gotta toll it. in at least one direction

See my example above - that's going to the north bay from the south bay, avoiding tolls both directions...

 

[Oh My Sack!]

Easy solution: learn how to get around the area without paying tolls. When we're driving on 101 heading north of the South Bay area we tend to use the Golden Gate Bridge heading north, and the Richmond Bridge heading south. If we're heading north towards I5 we'll take the 680/580/205/5 route instead of using the Benicia Bridge.

That's FIFTY additional miles to avoid the Benicia Bridge!

Dublin 680/580 interchange to 505/5 merge to the north is 89 miles if you roll 680/80/505. Taking your route is almost 140 miles through shitsville to avoid a $5 toll!!

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

That's FIFTY additional miles to avoid the Benicia Bridge!

Dublin 680/580 interchange to 505/5 merge to the north is 89 miles if you roll 680/80/505. Taking your route is almost 140 miles through shitsville to avoid a $5 toll!!

Again, using Microsoft Streets & Trips, plotting a course from our home near the 101/680/280 intersection to the 505/5 intersection north of Sacramento:

• 680 to 80 to 505 to 5 = 122.9 miles with a toll
• 680 to 580 to 205 to 5 = 165.3 miles no toll

So it is indeed 42.4 miles farther. But if we're going that way we'll be in our motorhome, pulling a car, so the toll is going to be $20. That extra mileage means we'll burn around 5 gallons of gas so if we pay $4 a gallon for gas it's a wash. With gas less than $4 a gallon it's still cheaper to go the long way, and I get to give my money to the oil companies instead of the government!

 

[RRR70]

How about time?

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

How about time?

I'm retired - time has no meaning to me...