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New Rider, need advice on getting a bike to ride from west coast to east coast

Powerful, sobering thread.

Oh man, post #1325 provides a sobering summary of the whole sad affair.

While I think the trip is doable at less than 150miles per day in retrospect the last two riders I mentored, both still riding, both doing well, could not in any way shape or form have handled this trip after 4 months of training.
 
Everyone who advocates for a new rider to go on a massive trip as their first ride should read this:
http://www.2arms1head.com/
Another stubbornly persistent illusion is that when you look at me, you think you are seeing a whole person. First things first. Right now, once and for all and forever, shatter that illusion. I am two arms and a head, attached to two-thirds of a corpse.
Written shortly before he committed suicide.

Take your adventures, but also, take the time to make sure you're prepared for them. Everyone in this thread (hopefully, even Lou!) has decades of riding still ahead of them. There is no sense in flaming out because you went too fast, too far, too soon.
 
Here's another link. This one is about a road trip that my coworker, my buddy, and fellow BARFer did when he had only 2,000 miles of experience. 1200 miles in 4 days. Smiles for miles! Is motorcycling dangerous? Hell yes. Thankfully there are a LOT more of these type happy links to be found than the previous.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402050

I've mentored quite a few new riders myself and the vast majority of them I would trust to complete this trip no problem. The only ones I wouldn't, well, I'm not sure they were cut out for two wheels period.

Anytime you embark on an endeavor outside of the norm you're going to get a lot of people who will poopoo the idea and point out why it can't be done. Up to you to filter through and decide which are actual show stoppers, which are obstacles you can overcome, and which won't actually be an obstacle for you at all.
 
There's a lot more happy type links to be found because dead people don't post on the internet.

At least have the honesty not to bullshit people about the risks.
 
No ones saying it can't be done, just not recommended with such little experience. Him taking the trip next year instead of right now doesn't de-value the journey. There's no reason to rush into it
 
At least have the honesty not to bullshit people about the risks.

You're right. I've seen the light!

OP, riding a motorcycle is fucking stupid. Don't do it. Actually, no one should do it. It's that fucking stupid. I've lost lots of friends to it. Don't do it. Every friend and stranger who's walked up to me and told me stories about how their best friend's cousin's mother's sister's next door neighbor dying is right. I can't believe I didn't listen to them. I've been so blind. Don't do it.

Better?
 
No ones saying it can't be done, just not recommended with such little experience. Him taking the trip next year instead of right now doesn't de-value the journey. There's no reason to rush into it

This. The adventure of riding a motorcycle doesn't change over the years, at least it never has for me. The trips I take today are better than the ones I took years ago, because I am a better, more aware, more experienced rider. Doing it while you're new misses some of the finest points of riding, because the novelty of riding a motorcycle overweighs the novelty of the trip experience.

I enjoy my trips more because none of my focus is tied up in the details of riding the motorcycle, and my focus is on the things happening, not the things I must do to keep the things happening.
 
The fact that he's taking it seriously is evidenced, I think, by the fact that he mining this valuable cache of moto experience and opinions to get an idea.

We all seem to think that we are anomalies that have some how miraculously made it through this much of our lives despite motorcycling. How many of us started on 250s with $600 top of the line helmets and all the gear. Not as many as who tell newbies that is the only way to start. Am I the only one that knows the difference a Sunday paper stuffed in the front of your jean jacket makes when it's cold and windy? No. I'm not because I got the idea from talking to other old timers.

My advice: Buy your helmet new. Anything sold by www.motojava.com has a very high likelihood of getting you to NY. You may find something in your price range. Realize that anything you encounter as a set back will take a set amount of "Trip Mojo" to get back on the road. "Trip Mojo" is comprised of time and money, and they are convertible in an ever fluctuating exchange rate. If you have a more money to spend you can save yourself a lot of time. If you have time to spend, you can save yourself a lot of money.

Know your limits, and there is no shame in coming home with your bike in a U-Haul and selling it (the bike, not the U-Haul)to recover any credit card debt of the recovery.

Good Luck:thumbup
 
Good Lord.

Why not post stories of people who turned to vegetables after their first ride on a skateboard?
Their first drive in a car?
People that died horrible deaths first time they got in a plane?
The guy that lost his legs walking to get groceries?
The old lady walking her dog and getting creamed by a bicyclist on his first real bike ride?
Etc., etc., etc.

Goddamn, how fucking retarded can this shit get?

Some of us are saying "do it" because we've done it!

I had zero street experience. I bought a 1987 FZ600 and rode it from Auburn CA to Phoenix Arizona straight through a week after buying it. I went through LA in rush hour! Zero training other than dirt and bicycle riding.

Was it smart? No. It is not "smart" to ride a motorcycle at all.
Was it painful? Yes, it was painful by the time I got to Sacramento 30 minutes into the ride.
Could I have died? I could have died staying home.
Was it worth it? YES IT WAS WORTH IT.

Can you die getting off the couch and doing shit? YES, YOU CAN DIE OR GET INJURED doing fun shit with your life.



Christ, quit the hang wringing and grow a pair nancy boys. Lost a lot of friends to motorcycling. 90% of them very experienced riders. Quit kidding yourself fellas. You can die tomorrow doing this shit. Despite your experience, your fancy leather duds, and your "risk management".

Just my opinion, having been riding since 1987. :thumbup
 
You're right. I've seen the light!

OP, riding a motorcycle is fucking stupid. Don't do it. Actually, no one should do it. It's that fucking stupid. I've lost lots of friends to it. Don't do it. Every friend and stranger who's walked up to me and told me stories about how their best friend's cousin's mother's sister's next door neighbor dying is right. I can't believe I didn't listen to them. I've been so blind. Don't do it.

Better?

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
 
You're right. I've seen the light!

OP, riding a motorcycle is fucking stupid. Don't do it. Actually, no one should do it. It's that fucking stupid. I've lost lots of friends to it. Don't do it. Every friend and stranger who's walked up to me and told me stories about how their best friend's cousin's mother's sister's next door neighbor dying is right. I can't believe I didn't listen to them. I've been so blind. Don't do it.

Better?

I actually don't recommend riding to anyone that asks me about it. I accept my own risks but I don't want to be in any way a part of someone else's
 
You're right. I've seen the light!

OP, riding a motorcycle is fucking stupid. Don't do it. Actually, no one should do it. It's that fucking stupid. I've lost lots of friends to it. Don't do it. Every friend and stranger who's walked up to me and told me stories about how their best friend's cousin's mother's sister's next door neighbor dying is right. I can't believe I didn't listen to them. I've been so blind. Don't do it.

Better?

No? This is just as dumb as the people claiming he should take off for parts unknown with essentially no riding experience.

There are a lot more similarities in the story of Ozymandias and the OP than I'd care to point out. There is a huge skill difference in the quality of a rider at ~3 months and the quality of a rider after a year (backed up by what little stats we have on crash rates over time), and the mental maturity you pick up over the course of that time on when to go fast and when not to go fast. Oxymandias admitted himself that lack of experience and hot-headedness was a primary factor in his accident - he had the wrong reaction because he didn't have the needed experience to handle a new environment.

It's pretty fucking depressing that this place has gotten to the point where people are more motivated to read a ride report than give a shit about the rider doing that report, helping them understand the risks of taking a big trip as a new rider, and gleefully pushing them on to continue despite being the people who should be advising caution.

Some of us are saying "do it" because we've done it!

I rode without a helmet once, it was totally fine, you should do the same. I've done it, what's the big fucking deal?

Like, seriously, this is some of the saddest, most selfish posting I've ever seen on barf. No one offers help to train, teach the guy to ride, just a bunch of people mindlessly banging on about how they did terribly risky things and got away with it and clearly the OP can too, with no self awareness, common sense, or anything else. What a sad reflection on the community.

Christ, quit the hang wringing and grow a pair nancy boys. Lost a lot of friends to motorcycling. 90% of them very experienced riders. Quit kidding yourself fellas. You can die tomorrow doing this shit. Despite your experience, your fancy leather duds, and your "risk management".

With a little more risk management, garyj wouldn't be dead. Riding like he did on the street, regardless of skill, was a bad idea, and why I never joined any of his rides. He was clearly comfortable rolling the dice by aggressively riding a ninja 250 on the street at high speeds, and that's what killed him. A little more "risk management" and a little more "right time and place" and we'd still have him with us. Same with quite a few other riders out there who are no longer with us.

So yeah, just because you've gotten away with russian roulette for years doesn't mean other people aren't going to call you on it when you tell them to sit down at the table and pick up the gun. Especially when you realize that with enough time, riding a motorcycle doesn't have to be russian roulette at all. Moderate risks, mitigated by skill and judgement, and your chances of being in an accident drop significantly. "Risk management" is how you understand the difference between what is actually dangerous, and what just appears to be dangerous, and poo-pooing that is the first sign of someone who has no fucking clue what they're doing on a bike and has relied on luck rather than skill to get through dangerous situations. Risk management is what you're doing every time you put on a helmet, and yet I don't think anyone here would advise a new rider to take off his helmet and revel in the freedom of the experience, but the second things get even slightly more intangible than that, everyone forgets the lesson in search of a new ride report.
 
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Like, seriously, this is some of the saddest, most selfish posting I've ever seen on barf. No one offers help to train, teach the guy to ride

Thing is, OP didn't ask for any of that.

This is a motorcycle forum. He wants to ride a motorcycle. Why not just answer his questions? He didn't ask if he should do it, that decision is made. It's not our place to piss on his dreams or micromanage his life.
 
Thing is, OP didn't ask for any of that.

This is a motorcycle forum. He wants to ride a motorcycle. Why not just answer his questions? He didn't ask if he should do it, that decision is made. It's not our place to piss on his dreams or micromanage his life.

Because when someone asks if their first bike should be a GSX-R1000 or a ZX10, the reasonable reply is "neither is a good choice, you might be a successful, lifelong rider in spite of it, but it's a bad idea. Here are the reasons why".

If the simple realities of riding a motorcycle are too harsh for the new rider to bear, they are probably shouldn't ride a motorcycle.
 
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Thing is, OP didn't ask for any of that.

This is a motorcycle forum. He wants to ride a motorcycle. Why not just answer his questions? He didn't ask if he should do it, that decision is made. It's not our place to piss on his dreams or micromanage his life.

Exactly, so the next time we get a young guy who wears flip flops and wants to know how get faster cornering while dragging a knee up highway 9 and how to best cross the double yellow to do so then none of us should tell him that it's a bad idea. His decision is made and we should simply explain how to it. :twofinger
 
Because when someone asks if their first bike should be a GSX-R1000 or a ZX10, the reasonable reply is "neither is a good choice, you might be a successful, lifelong rider in spite of it, but it's a bad idea. Here are the reasons why".

If the simple realities of riding a motorcycle are too harsh for the new rider to bear, they are probably shouldn't ride a motorcycle.

Exactly, so the next time we get a young guy who wears flip flops and wants to know how get faster cornering while dragging a knee up highway 9 and how to best cross the double yellow to do so then none of us should tell him that it's a bad idea. His decision is made and we should simply explain how to it. :twofinger

Those things don't apply here.

Y'all have said your piece. Others have disagreed. Let it go.
 
I actually don't recommend riding to anyone that asks me about it. I accept my own risks but I don't want to be in any way a part of someone else's

I figure we're all adults here and capable of making our own decisions. Everyone has to decide for themselves what is an acceptable level of risk and if that person has decided that motorcycling is something they want to try then I'll gladly help them out as I can. I see your position on it though and I respect that.


Z3n, Not one of us in this thread...NOT ONE, wants anyone to get hurt. Those of us telling the OP to take this trip are doing it because we believe he can and will be just fine and it will be the trip of a lifetime. Obviously you disagree with that. We're not going to see eye to eye on what is an acceptable level of risk and as I said earlier in the thread, what is the right level for myself, and what is the right level for you, none of that matters...the OP is here to choose what is right for them. To say there's no self awareness or common sense and that the membership just wants to read another ride report with no concern for safety is really selling a LOT of people short.

People are more caring and smarter than you give them credit for I think.

Flying Hun, Motoproponent, Brown81, radvas, Aluisious and others...I couldn't agree more with pretty much every word every one of you has written in this thread...rock on gentlemen :thumbup
 
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You ever think about what would have happened if someone hadn't let it go on ozymandias' s thread on advrider?

See the difference between us is that you consider each person as a member of the larger community. I jidge them on these interactions here, which are terrible.

I dunno how many riders youve scraped off the side of the road, but I've done it too many times. Too many crashed bikes, long recoveries, calls to strangers. His trip won't be any less fantastic if he does it next summer, in fact, it'll probably be better. Rushing into the adventure only works out when youre looking back on it safelt from the other side. Ozymandias never had the chance to do that. Maybe the op will be fine, maybe he wont. Not being honest about how much higher the risks are now vs. In a year is painfully dishonest and I expected more from people.
 
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