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Ninja ZX-25R

Holeshot said:
It'll be too expensive, IMO...
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Exactly.

These bikes make more sense in the countries that have tiered licensing laws. New they'll only be marginally cheaper than a 600, so if you can get a 600 for the cost of a 250, most riders are going to go for the 600. In countries with the tiered licensing laws, you can't, so you get the 250.

I had the original CBR250RR in Sydney ... it was interesting to ride, revved (according to the tach) to 19500. Like riding a sewing machine, was a good laugh. But if it'd been my only bike, I would have sold it for a 600 to have something more livable day to day.
 
ddold said:
Exactly.

These bikes make more sense in the countries that have tiered licensing laws. New they'll only be marginally cheaper than a 600, so if you can get a 600 for the cost of a 250, most riders are going to go for the 600. In countries with the tiered licensing laws, you can't, so you get the 250.

I had the original CBR250RR in Sydney ... it was interesting to ride, revved (according to the tach) to 19500. Like riding a sewing machine, was a good laugh. But if it'd been my only bike, I would have sold it for a 600 to have something more livable day to day.
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Exactly, especially considering how FLAT and BORING the majority of the US is. Here in the Bay Area a 250 can be used as a Mines Rd ripper, or crawl through shitty 25 MPH traffic, and the difference between a 600 and 250 is minimal. However in Kansas where everything is flat and boring as far as the horizon, a 250 makes little to no sense.
 
The difference between a 600 and 250 even on the street will be considerable. The largest problem with a 250 on the street is the danger in how they make time: faster corner speeds. I'd prefer slower the slower corner speed of a larger CC bike, IMO.
 
Holeshot said:
The difference between a 600 and 250 even on the street will be considerable. The largest problem with a 250 on the street is the danger in how they make time: faster corner speeds. I'd prefer slower the slower corner speed of a larger CC bike, IMO.
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You like going slow in corners? :wtf

We're doomed.
 
Haha! That corner speed becomes a large problem when traction's lost!
 
deanzaZZR said:
It's designed for markets in SE Asia and perhaps elsewhere.
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Huge markets, many countries with 250cc limits and a lot of upwardly mobile young people who want cool bikes...

this is a world bike, the US sportbike market is so tiny that I’m sure it didn’t even enter into the design discussions
 
It's way more fun to ride a small bike fast than a big bike slow, IMO.

I'd take it over a 600.
 
Agree victor with the fun factor. The danger factor is a bit more on the street, IMO...but given most riders on the street crash due to poor judgement, it probably makes little difference.
 
Meh, I would have preferred they did a ZX4R with these numbers:

100hp @ 18.5k RPMs (at the crank)
30ft/lb torque
330lbs (wet)
Fully adjustable suspension (front and back)
All rider aids (traction control, ABS, rider modes, etc..)
110/160 tires (front/rear)
 
jh2586 said:
Meh, I would have preferred they did a ZX4R with these numbers:

100hp @ 18.5k RPMs (at the crank)
30ft/lb torque
330lbs (wet)
Fully adjustable suspension (front and back)
All rider aids (traction control, ABS, rider modes, etc..)
110/160 tires (front/rear)
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Lol so you just want a zx6r that weighs 100 pounds less.
 
jh2586 said:
Meh, I would have preferred they did a ZX4R with these numbers:

100hp @ 18.5k RPMs (at the crank)
30ft/lb torque
330lbs (wet)
Fully adjustable suspension (front and back)
All rider aids (traction control, ABS, rider modes, etc..)
110/160 tires (front/rear)
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You forgot to mention full engine teardown and rebuild every other race weekend or every thousand street miles...

FYI, mid 80's or low 90's hp numbers were possible even 20-25 years ago with heavily modified and built Honda and Yamaha 400's, only catch was that the motor was a grenade with the pin pulled and none of them could make even half a season, sometimes not even one weekend.

As far as the 250 screamers, I could see them catching on with both street riders and racers, as long as they're equipped with really modern components and electronics. The Ninja 250/300/400 or whatever they sell now is still very popular for commuting, trackdays and racing, but I consider it kind of a 'budget bike' with fairly antiquated parts and technology. Most newer riders have no business on a liter bike or even a 600 sportbike, they're in way over their head, like handing the keys to a 911 to a teenage driver. Seen the movie, know how it ends...
 
jh2586 said:
Meh, I would have preferred they did a ZX4R with these numbers:

100hp @ 18.5k RPMs (at the crank)
30ft/lb torque
330lbs (wet)
Fully adjustable suspension (front and back)
All rider aids (traction control, ABS, rider modes, etc..)
110/160 tires (front/rear)
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Jeff, you pretty much already can own that bike: 17' R6 w/ power/ weight about the same.
 
Holeshot said:
Jeff, you pretty much already can own that bike: 17' R6 w/ power/ weight about the same.
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Not quite, that’s about 89lbs extra weight on that R6. I’m more concerned about shaving off the weight than maintaining power to weight.
 
jh2586 said:
Not quite, that’s about 89lbs extra weight on that R6. I’m more concerned about shaving off the weight than maintaining power to weight.
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Gotcha Jeff.
 
Here is the closest you'll get to ride one
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I would love to ride one though.
 
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fubar929 said:
Every newbie I've talked with recently wants a 1000cc bike, so I'm a little skeptical that anyone will care about 250s...
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Really ? They may talk about them, but the smart ones are terrified of them. There's plenty of smarter riders who know the excitement of riding a small bore machine.

Mad
 
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