Now that I got a DMV permit...

[ScottRNelson]

That's so kind of you! Where do you live now?

Read the signature at the bottom of my post - Idaho.

 

[ST Guy]

You're bad, I've seen people who ride Police bikes do crazy circles. It's experience, practice, etc. I might try different techniques and walk the bike in the circle and give it another shot before giving up on it completely.

Bad? Is that actually bad or are you saying I'm good?

FYI, that W formation is about as tight as it gets. You have to go full lock and have a perfect entrance to all the turns and you have to finish the turns properly or you have zero chance of making the following turn. Three turns in a row.

Most of the people in the class I took failed that test.

 

[splat]

It is not possible to get a replacement DL389 for an CMSP course taught using MSF curriculum (early 1980's thru 2013).

As also stated in this thread, the current DL389's are only good for a year. They used to last forever but that changed many years ago. Once it expires the only way to get another one is to take one of the courses again. I'm unfamiliar with the current policy regarding the ability to replace a lost DL389's that hasn't expired. It would not surprise me to hear that they cannot be replaced.

Man, the DMV is stepping up their game!

But yeah, I took the MSF nearly 20 years ago now, at the time we were told it’s good for life. If you lose it, come back to the same site with the date you took the course and they could reissue it. I guess having a 12 month expiration is a good thing though.

 

[mean dad]

You're going to need this skill while riding your motorcycle in your riding career, might as well learn how to do it now.

Lots of methods to accomplish it, I damn near make the engine fight the rear brake if I'm trying to turn that tight, that slowly. Hold the throttle steady and apply the rear brake until it wants to fall in then slightly ease off the brake.

While you certainly won't want to borrow my bike for the test I'd be glad to meet up somewhere and give you pointers.

 

[VicTim]

Find somebody that looks similar to you that can do the course and pay them to do it for you.

 

[auntiebling]

You're going to need this skill while riding your motorcycle in your riding career, might as well learn how to do it now.

Lots of methods to accomplish it, I damn near make the engine fight the rear brake if I'm trying to turn that tight, that slowly. Hold the throttle steady and apply the rear brake until it wants to fall in then slightly ease off the brake.

While you certainly won't want to borrow my bike for the test I'd be glad to meet up somewhere and give you pointers.

OP take him up on this. if he really likes you he'll show you how to do it as one giant rolling burnout too. allegedly. maybe not really but i suspect he could

 

[HadesOmega]

Here's another tip. When I took the test I used my dad's KLR250. When it's cold it has trouble idling. So what I did was adjust the idle so it was higher like 2k rpm. If it's that way all you have to do is work the clutch you don't have to worry about the throttle. you can adjust your speed with the clutch and brakes. I failed the first time BTW and that's what I resorted on doing to pass it =P It should be super easy on a dual sport but I managed to fail it. But if you fail just keep on going back I guess. I've seen people do it on literbikes before.

 

[ocoas]

You can do it, just practice. Like others have said; slip the clutch ride the rear break and Keep the RPMs high and let the gyro effect help.

I took the test on a 1968 sportster. I was more concerned about the kick start.

 

[Caddywumpus]

I have a 1 day class open up next week. Link in sig

 

[SVsick50]

I tried that lollipop test 32 years ago on my 1982 Honda Passport. I failed.

I just rode with a permit for years. My stepson who is 12 now yearns to pull up to school on a dual sport.

I revisited it maybe 15 years ago and it was a piece of cake. The difference was that I did it on a DRZ400SM, also I hope I’m a better rider than I was when I was 14.

 

[newbiker]

You're going to need this skill while riding your motorcycle in your riding career, might as well learn how to do it now.

Lots of methods to accomplish it, I damn near make the engine fight the rear brake if I'm trying to turn that tight, that slowly. Hold the throttle steady and apply the rear brake until it wants to fall in then slightly ease off the brake.

While you certainly won't want to borrow my bike for the test I'd be glad to meet up somewhere and give you pointers.

That would be awesome! But it depends on where you live. I can pretty much meet up within 50 miles of the east bay area (except SF, or where bridges are concerned - save that topic for another day).

 

[ilikefood]

Next thing to do is DMV Lollipop Test, which I'm sure I won't pass. I've tried doing that tight circle on my bike (ZX6R) and it's hard to do it.
I got 2 options, borrow someone's bike and do it. OR 2nd option, take the MSF course again. I prefer not taking the course again, because it's 3 days and $350 - I'd rather use that time and funds on a different course.

Suggestions? Thanks!

There is no reason why you wouldn't be able to do the lollipop test on a ZX6R. As others have said, using the rear brake to settle the bike is one thing. Also, to get the bike to turn more tightly you need to lean it over more. In order to do that you need to lean your body to the outside of the turn, so your bike leans more to the inside. Or in other words, you sit up more straight, and the bike leans to the inside underneath you.

I'd suggest watching some YouTube videos about low-speed motorcycle control.

 

[mean dad]

That would be awesome! But it depends on where you live. I can pretty much meet up within 50 miles of the east bay area (except SF, or where bridges are concerned - save that topic for another day).

I'm in Pittsburg. Pretty sure the DMV here has a lollipop, but it doesn't really matter as we can mark something off anywhere or just use parking lot lines. Once you're comfortable doing very tight turns at a slow speed the size of the circle won't matter (within reason).

Shoot me a pm for my number and we can set something up. I'm home by 3:30 during the week and have all day Friday - Sunday.


Edit: 43 miles Hayward to P'burg. Cuttin it close!

 

[matjam]

Passed the lollipop test on my 1199 Panigale ... higher revs, slipping clutch, control speed with rear brake.

Practiced about 3-4 times at the local DMV after they closed up and went home. Security guard came over and said it was fine he just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing stunts

"no mate! Just want to pass the test!" lol.

 

[moto-rama]

You’re gonna have to do the Lolipop either at the DMV or the One Day class* (*though you get three tries and can use one of their easy to ride baby Harleys)

As mentioned, go practice after 5pm. 4-6mph with throttle just off idle and control the bike with clutch engagement and the rear brake.
If you’re afraid you’ll drop it you can begin with your inner foot out for balance and support should it lean too far. And don’t use the front brake!

The biggest thing is to not look down in front of the tire, turn your head looking several feet ahead, don’t let your eyes focus on one spot.

The short wheelbase and steep rake make sport bikes easy.

What Goat said.. Especially about "NO front brake!"

my .12 cents:
Weight on outside peg, ass on outside of seat, Look Over Your Shoulder.