Office Rolfe Charged With Felony Murder?

[Yakoo752]

No shit. I guess you didn't notice one of the guns is blue. Pay attention. It was to serve my point. Getting shot in the back doesn't mean you weren't a threat.

Everyone likes to claim "he was drunk and irrational". Imagine he had gotten the officers gun, imagine he thought he had the officers gun.

Quit defending this guy. Wake the fuck up.

The person that shot him was not the person in direct pursuit of him. That person, who was directly behind him, had a taser deployed likely because he didn't fear for his life. Seems like if the closest officer, the one most at risk, didn't deem the perpetrator a threat, he wasn't really one

EDIT: after reviewing a video that mseth provided below, this did not occur. The pursuing officer transfers his taser to his non-dominate hand and draws his sidearm.

Imagine that the sky was filled with purple elephants, doesn't make any real though.

 

[SFMCjohn]

No shit. I guess you didn't notice one of the guns is blue. Pay attention. It was to serve my point. Getting shot in the back doesn't mean you weren't a threat.

Everyone likes to claim "he was drunk and irrational". Imagine he had gotten the officers gun, imagine he thought he had the officers gun.

Quit defending this guy. Wake the fuck up.

well, haven’t sunk so low so as to defend shooting a drunk in the back ...
imagine what John Wayne would say ...?

 

[mean dad]

Imagine if the guy had pulled an ICBM out of his pocket and started WW3.
How fucking stupid would you feel now, huh???

DEFENDING THE GUY WHO ENDED THE WORLD?!?!!?

 

[mrzuzzo]

well, haven’t sunk so low so as to defend shooting a drunk in the back ...
imagine what would John Wayne would say ...?

I don't feel bad for the guy who was shot at all.

He beat up his own kids, first of all.

Brooks was convicted of several crimes — including obstructing an officer, family battery violence, possessing weapons during a crime, receiving stolen property, felony cruelty to children, interfering with custody, false imprisonment, snatching his children without permission from the mother, and battery.

And second of all, he stole the taser from the cop. This is one of those play stupid games win stupid prizes situations.

 

[byke]

We don't really know what the deal was with his conviction. The bible belt isn't exactly the pinnacle of justice for black folks.

 

[mrzuzzo]

We don't really know what the deal was with his conviction. The bible belt isn't exactly the pinnacle of justice for black folks.

Hard to believe he was set up. Family battery violence, felony cruelty to children should be fairly easy to prove.

Sorry, he sounds like a piece of shit that didn't deserve the life he had in the first place.

 

[msethhunter]

The person that shot him was not the person in direct pursuit of him. That person, who was directly behind him, had a taser deployed likely because he didn't fear for his life. Seems like if the closest officer, the one most at risk, didn't deem the perpetrator a threat, he wasn't really one

Imagine that the sky was filled with purple elephants, doesn't make any real though.

https://youtu.be/jnHecVdUysQ

What video are you watching. He turned, pointed a taser at the officer chasing him, turned and shot. You can see the cop, the one who shot him about 10 steps behind, drop his taser, pull his pistol, and shoot back, then the other cop runs into frame...minus his taser, with his hand on his pistol.

Jesus fuck! "They should have just let him walk to his sister's house." No. Not now, not ever has that been okay. How about don't break the law, then fight with the police when you do, steal a taser and justify it with "they should have let him go with a warning." Since when has that been okay?

 

[Yakoo752]

https://youtu.be/jnHecVdUysQ

What video are you watching. He turned, pointed a taser at the officer chasing him, turned and shot. You can see the cop, the one who shot him about 10 steps behind, drop his taser, pull his pistol, and shoot back, then the other cop runs into frame...minus his taser, with his hand on his pistol.

Jesus fuck! "They should have just let him walk to his sister's house." No. Not now, not ever has that been okay. How about don't break the law, then fight with the police when you do, steal a taser and justify it with "they should have let him go with a warning." Since when has that been okay?

Damn, I didn't catch that. I'll retract my previous comment. He shifted his taser to his left hand and drew his sidearm. I didn't catch this on the video I watched previously.

Officer begins drawing before brooks points the taser backwards. Deeming him a threat in advance. And shoots after Brooks deploys the taser. The scenario occurs in a total of 3 seconds (from the officer drawing to the downed suspect)

 

[Bay Arean]

https://youtu.be/jnHecVdUysQ


Jesus fuck! "They should have just let him walk to his sister's house." No. Not now, not ever has that been okay. How about don't break the law, then fight with the police when you do, steal a taser and justify it with "they should have let him go with a warning." Since when has that been okay?

That's the inconvenient truth. I don't even wanna hear about what other things the guy did in life, good or bad. The only thing to debate is whether it was possible to disarm and detain the guy without actually killing him.

It's so ridiculous to expect cops to have some relative sense of "oh, he can get away, I don't want to hurt him today." With a police weapon???? Fluffly, flaky relativism that is antithetical to even having laws. I guess that's the law in CHOP.

Also, hadn't he reached the limit of the taser's reach? I mean, I still didn't want him to shoot the guy. Well, maybe in the leg, but once again, what are we asking. Frankly I wish all cops carried lassos and knew how to use 'em. Since I come from that culture, I'm here to tell ya, it's the perfect way to subdue a human or an animal. I know it's ridiculous but better than pumpin em full of lead, like that nutjob homeless guy in SF with the knife a few years back.

Just as we had the "day without a Mexican" I am envisioning a "day without a policeman." It's coming. Better get a hold of our BARFer gun dealer for that day cuz I ain't armed. Further proof of how prescient the creators of "The Purge" are.

 

[Kurosaki]

Think about it. You just had a severe tussle with someone. He has a Taser and points it at you. You have a gun.
Most people would (should?) shoot instinctively.

Most people aren't trained police officers.

 

[byke]

Hard to believe he was set up. Family battery violence, felony cruelty to children should be fairly easy to prove.

Sorry, he sounds like a piece of shit that didn't deserve the life he had in the first place.

Hard to believe if one were unaware of the existence of America, otherwise, toss a coin.

 

[SFMCjohn]

Hard to believe if one were unaware of the existence of America, otherwise, toss a coin.

need someone with say, multiple passports, who maybe has some insight into how the world works in places based on lick-spittle apple-polishing, maybe ...

arty

 

[msethhunter]

Damn, I didn't catch that. I'll retract my previous comment. He shifted his taser to his left hand and drew his sidearm. I didn't catch this on the video I watched previously.

Officer begins drawing before brooks points the taser backwards. Deeming him a threat in advance. And shoots after Brooks deploys the taser. The scenario occurs in a total of 3 seconds (from the officer drawing to the downed suspect)

Again, I don't know what video you're watching. At 4 seconds, Brooks is turning to shoot, and takes aim. At 5 seconds, Brooks shoots the taser. At six seconds, the officers taser is on the ground, and he is in the process of pulling his side arm, and appears to fall into the car next to him.

Imagine he had hit him and got his gun, or got his gun instead, and mistook it for a taser.

 

[byke]

need someone with say, multiple passports, who maybe has some insight into how the world works in places based on lick-spittle apple-polishing, maybe ...

arty

Negative. Multiple passports is a terrible reference, especially when one of them if from a communist nation. Several of our eastern bloc barfers scoff at American oppression which of course, go tell Floyd how he knows nothing about it, plus, trivializing oppression here does nothing but make room for more of it.

 

[ScarySpikes]

https://youtu.be/jnHecVdUysQ

What video are you watching. He turned, pointed a taser at the officer chasing him, turned and shot. You can see the cop, the one who shot him about 10 steps behind, drop his taser, pull his pistol, and shoot back, then the other cop runs into frame...minus his taser, with his hand on his pistol.

Jesus fuck! "They should have just let him walk to his sister's house." No. Not now, not ever has that been okay. How about don't break the law, then fight with the police when you do, steal a taser and justify it with "they should have let him go with a warning." Since when has that been okay?

Yup, the video shows the officer chasing him was also the one who shot him.

The video also shows him assault Brooks as he was on the ground after being shot. There is no indication in the video that Rolfe was afraid for his own life or anyone else's. It looks a lot more like he was amped up with adrenaline and anger. He wanted to hurt Brooks because Brooks tried to get away. To make matters worse, when he did shoot, he was also shooting towards an occupied SUV, putting bystanders at risk.


Someone resisting arrest and running away does not justify the use of deadly force. The only justification for deadly force is when there is an immediate, deadly threat to someone. There is no point in that video or any of the others we have seen where Brooks appears to be a deadly threat, thus deadly force was never justified.

 

[Yakoo752]

Again, I don't know what video you're watching. At 4 seconds, Brooks is turning to shoot, and takes aim. At 5 seconds, Brooks shoots the taser. At six seconds, the officers taser is on the ground, and he is in the process of pulling his side arm, and appears to fall into the car next to him.

Imagine he had hit him and got his gun, or got his gun instead, and mistook it for a taser.

look at the timestamp in the top left

at 23:22:47 the officer begin to draw his side arm, his hand is clearly visible on his sidearm

at 23:22:48 the suspect turns and fires the taser

at 23:22:49 the officer runs into the red car, completes his draw and fires

 

[HappyHighwayman]

Shows you how times have changed, there's a scene in Die Hard with a Vengeance where McLain just empties his 9mm into a dump truck driven by two bad guys WHO WERE NOT HOLDING GUNS AND NOT ACTIVELY SHOOTING ANYONE. When I saw the movie I was like "Awesome", today I'm like
"he just straight up executed two alleged criminals"

Which is what this cop did.

 

[UDRider]

This whole "but he beat his kids" or whatever doesn't matter, and is just shifts a conversation of what happened and what should have happened in a particular situation.

Here is why it doesn't matter.
At the time of this incidents if police didn't know, they were just handling a person and then things went south. So his/her background has no baring on the police officers decisions.

If they did know it shouldn't have affected their behavior. We don't want police to be a judge and executioner. We don't want police to "be less gentle, rough someone up a bit" who we perceive to be "bad enough". We have a justice system, it might not be perfect, but it's where consequences of people actions should be decided. Police job should be arresting a person if necessary, and letting the courts and attorneys handle the rest.

 

[GAJ]

Someone resisting arrest and running away does not justify the use of deadly force. The only justification for deadly force is when there is an immediate, deadly threat to someone. There is no point in that video or any of the others we have seen where Brooks appears to be a deadly threat, thus deadly force was never justified.

I OFTEN read in the local rag of high speed vehicle chases being called off due to danger to the public with the implication that the risk to life and limb of innocents is not worth it.

I guess one could call "running" from a cop who turns on their lights/siren whether you are in a car or on a moto "resisting arrest" and that policy has never been questioned here on BARF to my knowledge.

I think it's a policy that makes sense when officers have radios and helicopters, not to mention squad cars up the road where a fleeing suspect is headed.

 

[msethhunter]

Negative. Multiple passports is a terrible reference, especially when one of them if from a communist nation. Several of our eastern bloc barfers scoff at American oppression which of course, go tell Floyd how he knows nothing about it, plus, trivializing oppression here does nothing but make room for more of it.

I hear you. But there needs to be change on both sides of the fence. Black men make up about 6% of the population, yet account for almost 50% of all murders. Both sides need to change. The rate at which black men are killed by police outstrips that of every other race. The problem is, we don't hear about the unarmed white guy getting killed in the news, because it doesn't generate views, and would probably lead to outrage, but the wrong kind.

A lot of people saw a white guy killing a black man with Floyd. I saw an innocent man being killed by a corrupt cop. Neither one of us is wrong, and both need to stop.