oldest stone tools found

[scootergmc]

Russel's Teapot.

I've been there. Prove me wrong....

 

[Corb]

Nobody had to prove Zeus, Thor and Ra didn't exist and they are mythology now rather than religion as they used to be.
Only a mater of time before the same is true of Jesus too.

 

[louemc]

The oldest tools were just rocks... Shaping to be more effective tools, came later.

 

[Corb]

The oldest tools were just rocks... Shaping to be more effective tools, came later.

Hard to tell since only stone could have lasted that long for us to find.
Thats one of the interesting points that Graham Hancock makes in his idea that civilization first appeared about 12/13k years ago rather than 5/6k as is considered by most historians today.
I don't necessarily buy all his story, some stuff seem a bit too "history Channel"
But he does make some very good/interesting points about stone structures around the world that do justify that idea.
Indeed if you are talking 10 000 years or more, stuff made out of stone is about the only thing you can still expect to find

 

[kevin 714]

Oldest tools were most likely digging sticks used to forage tubers

 

[Karbon]

Oldest tool is your mom.

 

[kevin 714]

Oldest tool is your mom.

 

[carries an axe]

Kev's mom foraged my tuber

 

[kevin 714]

Kev's mom foraged my tuber

godammit

 

[Abacinator]

Oldest tool is your mom.

Kev's mom foraged my tuber

I award you each one internet!

 

[ctrvl]

Nobody had to prove Zeus, Thor and Ra didn't exist and they are mythology now rather than religion as they used to be.
Only a mater of time before the same is true of Jesus too.

I dunno about that Thor part, I think people have a tendency to want to believe fanciful things:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ders-started-worshiping-the-norse-gods-again/

This from a country that ranked pretty high for atheists:

http://icelandreview.com/news/2012/08/13/iceland-ranks-high-world-atheist-list

Maybe "creative interpretation" is just a part of the human existence. The desire to translate reality into something more storylike. Who knows.

What I am curious about is how young earthers arrived at their age calculation. Pretty sure the bible stated 7 days for creation and if you find that to be figurative, as far as I think young earthers do, how did they arrive at their calculation for the age of the earth?

Or I guess I could go read one of their websites or something...

 

[louemc]

Hard to tell since only stone could have lasted that long for us to find.
Thats one of the interesting points that Graham Hancock makes in his idea that civilization first appeared about 12/13k years ago rather than 5/6k as is considered by most historians today.
I don't necessarily buy all his story, some stuff seem a bit too "history Channel"
But he does make some very good/interesting points about stone structures around the world that do justify that idea.
Indeed if you are talking 10 000 years or more, stuff made out of stone is about the only thing you can still expect to find

Speaking of rocks...(totally nothing relevant to this thread)

Something knee buckling to see, is the stone work in Peru, that remains.

No explanation of how 20 ton (or so) stones were fit together like jig-saw pieces.
One (but of many) examples is just outside Cusco, Peru.

Slightly smaller stones were shaped and fit together at Machu Pichu,,,,After a mountain ridge was cut level... OMG


Another that has shapes/internal corners like a CNC machine did it, is in Bolivia.

Don't know the age... And I don't think the stories about the Inca connection, are right, either.

 

[Corb]

I dunno about that Thor part, I think people have a tendency to want to believe fanciful things:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ders-started-worshiping-the-norse-gods-again/

This from a country that ranked pretty high for atheists:

http://icelandreview.com/news/2012/08/13/iceland-ranks-high-world-atheist-list

Maybe "creative interpretation" is just a part of the human existence. The desire to translate reality into something more storylike. Who knows.

What I am curious about is how young earthers arrived at their age calculation. Pretty sure the bible stated 7 days for creation and if you find that to be figurative, as far as I think young earthers do, how did they arrive at their calculation for the age of the earth?

Or I guess I could go read one of their websites or something...

My guess is that its religion in a cultural sense. Not necessarily people who want to die in brave battle to end up in Valhalla but people proud of their pre Christian roots and embrace the cultural aspects of that tradition.
We have something similar bin Romania with Zamolxe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmoxis
Obviously quite popular with metalheads

As far as creationists I think it was done by calculating the genealogy of all the characters in the old testament. I guess theres a way to trace it all the way to Cain and Abel
And they came up with about 6000 years somehow.
The kind of logic that only works with a very literal interpretation of Christian dogma.

 

[Caddywumpus]

I fucking love cusco! its delicious@!

 

[Corb]

Speaking of rocks...(totally nothing relevant to this thread)

Something knee buckling to see, is the stone work in Peru, that remains.

No explanation of how 20 ton (or so) stones were fit together like jig-saw pieces. One (but of many) examples is just outside Cusco, Peru.

Another that has shapes/internal corners like a CNC machine did it, is in Bolivia.

Don't know tcvdfhe age... And I don't think the stories about the Inca connection, are right, either.

You should look in to Graham Hancock if that stuff is interesting to you.
Thats exactly the subject he studies and writes about.
Interestingly the discovery of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey kinda validated a lot of his ideas on civilization being older than we thought.

 

[papa911]

I went to some ruins in Turkey. Back when, it is told, there was a tunnel going from the library to the whore house. Maybe it was the 'FIRST STONE WHORE HOUSE SECRET PASSAGEWAY'.

 

[bruceflinch]

Well which came first? the poo fling, or the rock fling?

probably a poo covered stick fling...

Had to look up "brad" nail.

brad nail is about the only thing in this thread I understood..

If only there was a way to not click on the thread...

this last page is why I stopped reading this thread several pages ago

Change your user cp, there is only 2 pages... just sayin' ...

Russel's Teapot.

Is there a tempest involved?

I went to some ruins in Turkey. Back when, it is told, there was a tunnel going from the library to the whore house. Maybe it was the 'FIRST STONE WHORE HOUSE SECRET PASSAGEWAY'.

Now here's a threadjack that should be exploited!

 

[TylerW]

I think carbon dating is a very interesting theory.

So is our understanding of gravity. What's your point?

 

[TylerW]

Theory = hypothesis.

Um, no.

A Hypothesis is a presumption based on a presumed outcome based on data observed prior to the formulation of the hypothesis.

ex: "It's been raining and the pavement is wet, I should go easy on my front brakes today"

A theory is a hypothesis that has been shown evident through rigorous testing designed to prove or disprove that hypothesis.

ex: "Cool! I was actually able to brake from 30mph in less than 60 feet given these conditions, but I lost the front when trying to brake in under 50 feet! I'm sure with just a few more tests, I can figure out my exact braking threshold!"

 

[TylerW]

Why is it's science's job to disprove theism?

It's not. The first job of science is to disregard all data that hasn't been upheld to scientific scrutiny.

Stop taking it personally.

There's something to be said for the the notion that the two ideals are intellectually opposed: most modern theism suggests that you should accept ideals delivered to you on faith without question. Science dictates that you should test and question every single piece of information that has ever been delivered to you.