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"Pump" on Netflix - story of oil and gas and alternative fuels

augustiron

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Good watch for me, looking to spread the word and start a discussion on the future of fuels.

Oil is a finite resource, we need leaders and policy to start steering the US (and world) towards alternatives. Too short sighted to just drill baby drill for short term profits and stability and avoid funding R&D into developing alternatives for the long run.

Also loved the Brazilian guy wearing the Iron Maiden tshirt :laughing
 
But that's exactly what Trump is doing, opening up the Alaska fields to rape and pillage by his 1%er buddies. Oil has many more uses than just fuel, and once it's gone all of those applications will be gone as well. But hey, $$$$$$$$$$!
 
Ok, I realize this is truly a political issue, but I would love to talk more about technology, corporate decision making (autos, oil, energy, etc), history and keep the Trump specific bashing in the political sub.
I don't see many US presidents who have not really ridden along with big oil, he is just continuing (and maybe worsening) the norm.
 
I'll check it out!
 
augustiron said:
Ok, I realize this is truly a political issue, but I would love to talk more about technology, corporate decision making (autos, oil, energy, etc), history and keep the Trump specific bashing in the political sub.
I don't see many US presidents who have not really ridden along with big oil, he is just continuing (and maybe worsening) the norm.
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Unfortunately, political policy drives that alternative fuel and device industry.

Look at all of the advances made in the electric car and solar industry over the last 8 years when incentives were applied to further those goals.

We may see a decline in that progress if incentives are removed and oil drilling is more facilitated. That changes the whole equation and at the end of the day these industries are driven by profit.
 
I find it difficult to believe that we as a species are not intelligent enough to harness the energy of the sun to power our world.
I find it easy to believe greed and profit will keep that from happening in the near future.

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mean dad said:
I find it difficult to believe that we as a species are not intelligent enough to harness the energy of the sun to power our world.
I find it easy to believe greed and profit will keep that from happening in the near future.

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Very eloquently said Sir!
 
I fully realize that energy and fuels are on a level, very political, and I am happy to see discussion regarding the historical politics and proposed policies, but I really want to steer clear of the "trump" bashing which will just muddy the waters of discourse.
I realize he is opening up more land to drilling, proposed deregulating a lot of the different types of drilling, ramping up the military (which is used to protect our oil interests) and doing ALOT of things to keep the oil flowing in the near term.
But is methanol, ethanol, biodiesel, fully electric, etc in the majority of cars viable?
 
augustiron said:
But is methanol, ethanol, biodiesel, fully electric, etc in the majority of cars viable?
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Ethanol - No, as has been clearly proven many times on here.
Methanol - I don't see it.
Hydrogen - Definitely a possibility if a more efficient means of seperating the Hydrogen from H2O is invented.
Electric - Hell yes, it has taken leaps forward in the last 10 years.
 
Well for you youngsters here it is, what have they already built weapons for?
Under water combat!
Yes it's true, about 15-20 years ago they developed a bullet that works under water, it has an air bubble ( cavitation ) and the air bubble is liquid cooled, it was in an article from a science mag.
Ready?
The fuel is frozen methane and it is at the bottom of the oceans in VAST quantities!
Ready for the taking -as soon as we can figure out how to safely mine it-- very unstable.
 
Climber, sorry I must have missed the ethanol discussion. Why not? The movie touts Brasil's great success at becoming fuel independent by switching to E85 and developing flex fuel cars. They grow the sugar cane and don't give up any food farmland for it.
 
Also interesting is how fuel hackers in the video say just about any gas car coming out today can be setup to run E85 just by changing a menu setting in the ecu.
Some are doing it directly to the ecu through the OBD port and another has an add on that looks like a power commander.
 
we dont grow enough corn to use it as fuel AND feed ppl and livestock. since corn is limited, food prices go up when we start producing more ethanol. even if we could switch to ethanol, i seriously doubt that the net environmental impact would be better than using oil. most studies show they are equal or ethanol is worse.
 
stangmx13 said:
we dont grow enough corn to use it as fuel AND feed ppl and livestock. since corn is limited, food prices go up when we start producing more ethanol. even if we could switch to ethanol, i seriously doubt that the net environmental impact would be better than using oil. most studies show they are equal or ethanol is worse.
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And corn is a crop that is hard on the soil , that will require more chemicals to maintain output production
 
I got a thing in the mail asking me to come test drive the Honda Clarity Fuel Cell car.

Doesn't sound so bad. Water is the only emission. 366 mile range. 3-5 minute refueling.
$369/month lease for 3 years, includes a $15,000 fuel card ... so "free" fuel for that first $15k. Looks like 3 places to go fill up in the South Bay.
 
augustiron said:
Climber, sorry I must have missed the ethanol discussion. Why not? The movie touts Brasil's great success at becoming fuel independent by switching to E85 and developing flex fuel cars. They grow the sugar cane and don't give up any food farmland for it.
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Here is one of the threads
More shity gas on the way.....More Ethanol! WTF?

Basically, it takes more energy to produce ethanol than you could possibly get out of it. It's basically a farm subsidy (welfare) that is paid for at the pump and is really an added tax on the whole nation with only a few recipient states. :thumbdown
 
I don't think that is the case with sugar cane in Brazil, but of course our climate will not support that crop.
 
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