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Question for those of you who claim no need to lubricate chains...
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^This, I can only add; "The smoker you drink, the player you get." - Joe Walsh
Pushrod
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Teflon brand lube. proclaimed safe for o-rings etc. after the carrier fluid evaporates the lube coating left behind declines to let grit stick to it. chain stays clean and slick, no grime builds up in the countershaft area, wear is not measureable and your male pattern bald spot shrinks.
GAJ
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This thread is making me feel a bit better about my lax lubing habits.
Lester Green
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Lou, ya know gold moto chains aren't really made of gold right?
corndog67
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I'd be willing to bet that I ride at least as hard as you do, lots of clutch action, like a dirt bike, and lots of wheelies. My C/S sprockets never have any undue wear.
I've found, over many, many bikes, that the direct connection to longevity, is how high a quality the chain is. And, STEEL sprockets. Also, cleanliness, right next to Godliness, in chainlife. My brother had a silt driveway, and he had to adjust his chain constantly. Brand new chain and sprockets. Didnt last long at all, I looked at it, it looked like grinding paste on there. And he rides really easy, too. No wheelies, no clutching it up, no nothing.
Bakc to chains. I had an early 90s, CBR1000F, 125hp, 550 lbs or so. I did wheelies all the time on this bike. The stock DID went over 20,000 miles. DID ZVM replacement, stock steel replacement sprockets, that bike had over 60k when it was sold. When people say they only get 10,000 or 15,000 miles out of a chain and sprockets, I assume they are buying less than premium chains, and/or aluminum sprockets. I've found that you'll end up paying, either through buying 2 or 3 new chain/sprocket sets, about the same as buying the best right from the start. A DID ZVM chain, last one I bought for my KTM, 525, Nickel plated, was $225, Supersprox rear, was $79, KTM C/S was $55. I bought the nickel plated because that was what they had in stock, not through any shiny wants. Its a satin finish.
Oh yeah, I lube my chain, weekly. Or is that, weakly?
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+1In fact (and I hate saying this) it pretty much mirrors what Lou said with a basic statement about the chain having O-rings that retain the lubrication from the manufacturer.
This has come-up before. Dense Lube was the first sealed o-ring chain. It sold like hot two-buck hookers to racers and dirt riders (in the know). I will clean chains with WD-40 and the minuscule amount of lubrication from that takes care of the chain/gear friction. Maybe I am weird, because I have had aluminum sprockets last just fine, too.
From o.p.'s post: You should use WD-40, too. Figure out what WD stands for, and it will all make sense.
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EastBayDave
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My bike leaks enough oil that the chain will never rust, ever.
There you go. This from the guy who used to duct-tape his Levi's knees....
+1
This has come-up before. Dense Lube was the first sealed o-ring chain. It sold like hot two-buck hookers to racers and dirt riders (in the know). I will clean chains with WD-40 and the minuscule amount of lubrication from that takes care of the chain/gear friction. Maybe I am weird, because I have had aluminum sprockets last just fine, too.
From o.p.'s post: You should use WD-40, too. Figure out what WD stands for, and it will all make sense.
I'll clean if necessary, but I do not lube the chain. I haven't seen a practical reason to do so. And FWIW, I rarely have to clean the chain.
EastBayDave
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well you better get w/it. Oh boy, another EBD horror story:
blasting out of a corner, chasing my bud on his heavily modded Z-1 900 Kwaker in summer of 77'. He hit's a hard shift (he liked to snap second hard in order to ride 2nd-gear wheelies out of corners), & suddenly what looked like a snake went flying over my shoulder by about 6 feet over & 3 feet up. Just missing tearing my head off...
We pulled to a stop =as it turned out to be his chain. It had snapped the master link, then went around the countershaft sprocket tearing off:
clutch pusher rod
oil sending unit
chain guard
case shield
...& put a nice 4 inch hole in the cases just in front of the sprocket. Oil was streaming out, all over the side of the road, smoke everywhere. He was cussing a blue streak, & ended up having to ride pillion home to get the truck to go back & get his bike.
He ended up having to get new/used cases as it was on the case split, so ended up having to rebuild the entire engine. "Good time to get that close-ratio gearbox" he told me. Uh huh....
I have other examples of the same thing, but thought you'd like to hear this one in order to remind you guys: LUBE YOUR CHAIN!
corndog67
Pissant Squid
I've scrapped out a bike for parts because I used a shitty chain, which broke and wiped the cases. Just once. Now I get the best chain I can.
GAJ
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well you better get w/it. Oh boy, another EBD horror story:
blasting out of a corner, chasing my bud on his heavily modded Z-1 900 Kwaker in summer of 77'. He hit's a hard shift (he liked to snap second hard in order to ride 2nd-gear wheelies out of corners), & suddenly what looked like a snake went flying over my shoulder by about 6 feet over & 3 feet up. Just missing tearing my head off...
We pulled to a stop =as it turned out to be his chain. It had snapped the master link, then went around the countershaft sprocket tearing off:
clutch pusher rod
oil sending unit
chain guard
case shield
...& put a nice 4 inch hole in the cases just in front of the sprocket. Oil was streaming out, all over the side of the road, smoke everywhere. He was cussing a blue streak, & ended up having to ride pillion home to get the truck to go back & get his bike.
He ended up having to get new/used cases as it was on the case split, so ended up having to rebuild the entire engine. "Good time to get that close-ratio gearbox" he told me. Uh huh....
I have other examples of the same thing, but thought you'd like to hear this one in order to remind you guys: LUBE YOUR CHAIN!
Well, I do two or three times a year.
Does that count?
What lube do you use? That sounds great...
squid vicious
nomnomnomnom
I'm not saying DONT lube your chain, but.....I'm thinking this was the culprit.
louemc
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Uhh, Ya want to mention the real reason that chain broke?
Did it break just any old place? And the Master link was still there? Or did it break at the clip retained sideplate...Master link?
We have moved on to rivet retained side plates, because the clip method was a failure waiting to happen.
Oops, just re-read your post (really trying to see if it was an O-ring chain) and saw you said it broke at the master link.
So...Come on, the clip retained side link failed...That is something that should be said loud and clear.
Don't use the clip type Get the damn tool to install (spin the rivet head) Rivet style.
Period.
I know, thick headed lost cause, chowder for brains types, will keep saying a properly clipped clip, stays put.
Lou the magnificent says, Ha Ha.
Did it break just any old place? And the Master link was still there? Or did it break at the clip retained sideplate...Master link?
We have moved on to rivet retained side plates, because the clip method was a failure waiting to happen.
Oops, just re-read your post (really trying to see if it was an O-ring chain) and saw you said it broke at the master link.
So...Come on, the clip retained side link failed...That is something that should be said loud and clear.
Don't use the clip type Get the damn tool to install (spin the rivet head) Rivet style.
Period.
I know, thick headed lost cause, chowder for brains types, will keep saying a properly clipped clip, stays put.
Lou the magnificent says, Ha Ha.
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Hmm I tried that stuff... not much different than regular chain oil.
Going to give this a shot per another comment on this thread:
