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Right to Repair

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Auto Industry TV Ads Claim Right to Repair Benefits 'Sexual Predators'

Basically they are saying you'll get raped if you are able to fix your own car or if an independent shop is able to access the diagnostic data in order to fix your car.

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I know we've talked about this before in other threads, but damn. This is really scummy.

The organization running the fearmongering ads, called the "Coalition for Safe and Secure Data," is funded by The Alliance for Automotive Innovation, which represents every major car manufacturer except Tesla
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yodaisgod said:
Yet, Tesla can remotely brick your car if they wanted to.
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Isn’t that a selling point for OnStar as well?

John Deere has been a big player in this field, too. Raking farmers over the coals for repair and update costs and going after independent shops with the gall to try to work on their shit.
 
Wasn’t there a thread about this a couple years back when RichRebuilds was documenting his salvage Tesla rebuild?
 
that is some bull$hit. I've seen a few documentaries regarding John Deere screwing over farmers.

If this happens in the consumer auto industry, all hell will break loose. If legislation passes to protect the companies pushing this shit, you know those who passed it are 100% paid off/corrupt.
 
Wonder if Ducati is impacted by this. If so and my bike breaks down I could possibly be sexually assaulted by a car load of hot female lifeguards out looking for trouble.

Off for a ride, catch y’all later
 
Blankpage said:
Wonder if Ducati is impacted by this. If so and my bike breaks down I could possibly be sexually assaulted by a car load of hot female lifeguards out looking for trouble.

Off for a ride, catch y’all later
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odds are it will be a dude first.
 
Complete bullshit move by automakers. They will effectively force your vehicle into forced obselescense. How long do automakers workbon cars before they stop working on them? 10-15 years. Like Harley won't work on older bikes. So if Indy shops can't service your vehicle your hosed. For example, try installing fog lamps or even a stereo head unit into your Chevy truck from an almost identical truck. You can't without the dealer computer system telling the computer it is ok to power the unit.
 
Akira-R said:
If this happens in the consumer auto industry, all hell will break loose. If legislation passes to protect the companies pushing this shit, you know those who passed it are 100% paid off/corrupt.
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Consumers probably don't care.
We're on a motorcycle forum. Of course we want to repair stuff. Other people may not!!!
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
Consumers probably don't care.
We're on a motorcycle forum. Of course we want to repair stuff. Other people may not!!!
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I don't know about that. I'm sure consumers would like to have a choice of whether to service their car at a dealer or independent shop, and also the ability to shop around. Basically, eliminating the right to repair puts all indy shops out of business.

Right now Tesla is the only manufacturer that I know of (besides John Deere) that basically gives a middle finger to any 3rd parties doing repairs. And Tesla service is a complete nightmare.

I'm sure the rest of the auto industry is looking at this and thinking "if they can pull it off, we can do it 10 times better". Force everyone to get needed service at the dealership and then extort the consumer by jacking up the price to whatever. It's not like anyone else can provide service.
 
Nick said:
Wasn’t there a thread about this a couple years back when RichRebuilds was documenting his salvage Tesla rebuild?
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Very recently RichRebuilds had issue with Tesla taking away referral credits for the new Tesla Roadster for violating the Tesla good faith policy. And before that YouTube took down a video because enough viewers flagged for "inappropriate content". Rich said he was done with Tesla and was going to buy a gas car. Apparently that is "inappropriate content".

https://www.thedrive.com/news/34707...sla-fanboys-ganged-up-to-get-video-taken-down
 
Blankpage said:
Wonder if Ducati is impacted by this. If so and my bike breaks down I could possibly be sexually assaulted by a car load of hot female lifeguards out looking for trouble.

Off for a ride, catch y’all later
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KWeezyXB12 said:
odds are it will be a dude first.
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Dudes.

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A lot of this comes down to product liability.

As there are more and more driver assist systems and automated driving systems, any tampering or improper repair of the vehicle can result in failure of these systems and that can be fatal...
 
motomania2007 said:
As there are more and more driver assist systems and automated driving systems, any tampering or improper repair of the vehicle can result in failure of these systems and that can be fatal...
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How is this any different or worse than improper repair of say, the brakes or steering system? People aren't dying because they're getting their brakes replaced by a non-dealer.
 
mrzuzzo said:
How is this any different or worse than improper repair of say, the brakes or steering system? People aren't dying because they're getting their brakes replaced by a non-dealer.
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I get your point but I think that big difference is the technology that's involved. And everyone is okay with the idea of replacing mechanical parts and having third-party mechanics do that but when cars require thousands and thousands in some cases even millions of lines of code to operate properly where it took thousands of software programmers to develop that code, having some third-party hack modify it is a bit different. There's also the issue of the expectations of consumers. The consumers expect manufacturers to stand buying their products. How can Ford for example or Tesla for example stand by the performance of their product if someone has been allowed to modify the software that makes the product operate.
 
motomania2007 said:
I get your point but I think that big difference is the technology that's involved. And everyone is okay with the idea of replacing mechanical parts and having third-party mechanics do that but when cars require thousands and thousands in some cases even millions of lines of code to operate properly where it took thousands of software programmers to develop that code, having some third-party hack modify it is a bit different. There's also the issue of the expectations of consumers. The consumers expect manufacturers to stand buying their products. How can Ford for example or Tesla for example stand by the performance of their product if someone has been allowed to modify the software that makes the product operate.
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I'm not up-to-date on the legislation, but I would not expect there to be one-off bug-level fixes happening at repair stations. I thought it was more about accessing the diagnostics and other data about sensor readings, and clearing fault codes when a module or sensor is replaced.

I wonder if my PC or cell phone has more or less lines of code and when do those suppliers determine that those are too complex to update or install new apps, and force me to take it to their service centers? Anyone want a smart fridge?

Also, based on the video, clearly the dealers want to monopolize the stalking and rape. What proves their techs are any less icky than the one's at Joe's Auto Shop?
 
motomania2007 said:
I get your point but I think that big difference is the technology that's involved. And everyone is okay with the idea of replacing mechanical parts and having third-party mechanics do that but when cars require thousands and thousands in some cases even millions of lines of code to operate properly where it took thousands of software programmers to develop that code, having some third-party hack modify it is a bit different. There's also the issue of the expectations of consumers. The consumers expect manufacturers to stand buying their products. How can Ford for example or Tesla for example stand by the performance of their product if someone has been allowed to modify the software that makes the product operate.
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Nobody at the dealership is writing code, just like nobody at the Tesla service center writes code. Right to repair has nothing to do with hacking or modifications. It's about being able to diagnose, service, and repair/replace components.
 
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