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RIP, anonymous on CA-33 (motorcycle vs. motorcycle collision)

DaveT319 said:
I've ridden that road, and it's GORGEOUS. You are wasting the experience if you are trying to ride it fast. Sometimes you need to just slow down and enjoy the scenery a little more. May have saved a couple lives if the 19 YO and his group had done that.
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Definitely in the top 10 list of roads... Not sure I'd want to see it with angel's wings, but I could think of worse places to go.
 
Condolences to family and friends.

I cringe every time I read on BARF of riders doing "laps" on "familiar" backroads as if they're on a race track because of the potential for tragedy involving innocents.
 
Yet another case where everyone was likely riding way too close together. Motorcycles should not be lined up like bowling pins.
 
Would any of you be in favor of _graduated_ licensing? I've never seen this discussed on BARF.

I worked with a young guy that was convinced by the local Yamaha salesman to buy a YZF-R1 for his _first_ motorcycle. A few months later he crashed, scared himself silly, and as far as I know never rode again. He just as easily could have killed himself (and someone else).

I am in favor of graduated licensing. We can't keep 19-year-olds from being stupid, but we might be able to help them (and their innocent victims) to survive it.
 
Kind of Ironic, I don't know how many threads I have seen on BARF about how bad Harley riders are and how bad the act. And this is not the first time I have seen how sports bike riders have crossed the DY and taken out HD or cruiser riders.

Yet I have never seen anything about how the HD or cruiser riders crossed the DY and took out a couple of sports bike riders.

Kind of makes me wonder which riders are really worse?

This very same thing happen to some friends of mine. 3 HD riders to the hospital, two with pins in their legs and feet for the rest of their life. Sports bike rider on the back of his friends bike rides away....

I have zero patience for anybody over-riding any road and making ALL riders look bad.
 
MCSFTGUY said:
Kind of Ironic, I don't know how many threads I have seen on BARF about how bad Harley riders are and how bad the act. And this is not the first time I have seen how sports bike riders have crossed the DY and taken out HD or cruiser riders.

Yet I have never seen anything about how the HD or cruiser riders crossed the DY and took out a couple of sports bike riders.

Kind of makes me wonder which riders are really worse?

This very same thing happen to some friends of mine. 3 HD riders to the hospital, two with pins in their legs and feet for the rest of their life. Sports bike rider on the back of his friends bike rides away....

I have zero patience for anybody over-riding any road and making ALL riders look bad.
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This guy here he knows stuff, some of it even worth listening to. :p

:wave Hi Steve
 
sckego said:
Fixed.
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OH... my bad... I apologize for the error...

An inexperience HD/Cruiser rider on a fine road like Mines riding the speed limit is the same things as somebody blowing a DY due to speed.

This is BARF, I should realize that I have to be very clear in what I say.

And my last position still holds.... I have zero patience for any rider who crosses over a DY and makes all rider look bad.
 
The more I think about this the more upset I get.

I empathize with the group of cruiser riders just out for a pleasant putt through the woods. Those careless, thoughtless, stupid, reckless, reckless squids need to be PUNISHED!

The lead squid has already suffered the ultimate punishment. But he wasn't racing alone. Those other squids that were racing with him are also responsible for the deaths and the injuries to the others.

Those squids need to be PUNISHED!
 
MCSFTGUY said:
Kind of Ironic, I don't know how many threads I have seen on BARF about how bad Harley riders are and how bad the act. And this is not the first time I have seen how sports bike riders have crossed the DY and taken out HD or cruiser riders.

Yet I have never seen anything about how the HD or cruiser riders crossed the DY and took out a couple of sports bike riders.

Kind of makes me wonder which riders are really worse?
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In my opinion, good judgment--which includes accurately assessing your ability and riding accordingly--trumps skill, even exceptional skill. A less-skilled rider who is content to ride at a pace he can manage comfortably will be less dangerous to other riders than one with highly developed skills but who uses them recklessly.

Splicer raised that point recently in the 1Rider thread Skill is Overrated:

Splicer said:
...judgment makes an imperfect but pretty good substitute for skill. Skill is no substitute at all for good judgment.
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Earlier in that same thread I wrote:

DataDan said:
Lacking good judgment, even a highly skilled rider can get into serious trouble. And in fact they do, as shown in examples in this thread.

OTOH, a less skilled rider with good judgment can avoid trouble by riding within his abilities.
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DataDan said:
In my opinion, good judgment--which includes accurately assessing your ability and riding accordingly--trumps skill, even exceptional skill. A less-skilled rider who is content to ride at a pace he can manage comfortably will be less dangerous to other riders than one with highly developed skills but who uses them recklessly.

Splicer raised that point recently in the 1Rider thread Skill is Overrated:


Earlier in that same thread I wrote:
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As always Dan, I could not agree with you more. The only thing that I would add, during the learning process a rider might not completely understand what their limits are because many of them are learned through experience.

Thanks Dan, I need to put this in my file for one of the other pieces I am working on now. :teeth
 
Burning1 said:
Connie wrote about just such an experience in the "If you blow a double yellow" thread.
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Except that no one died or got taken out... but that was just luck of the draw.

MCSFTGUY said:
OH... my bad... I apologize for the error...

An inexperience HD/Cruiser rider on a fine road like Mines riding the speed limit is the same things as somebody blowing a DY due to speed.

This is BARF, I should realize that I have to be very clear in what I say.

And my last position still holds.... I have zero patience for any rider who crosses over a DY and makes all rider look bad.
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I'm with ya on the zero patience thing, which is why I'm trying so hard to do something about it with Newbie rides, working one-on-one with new riders, doing 1Rider events, and making it a point to pull aside riders I see riding over their head and actually take the time to talk to them about body positioning, lane positioning, cornering, etc etc etc to help become better riders- and not kill others OR themselves.
Having said that, let me correct you and say that 1) it was NOT Mines, it was Hiway 9, and 2) the cruiser rider absolutely was riding WAY too fast for his skillsets, and absolutely was exceeding the posted speed limit. Now, I personally don't have an issue with someone exceeding the posted speed limit if they know what they're doing, and can keep it in their lane. He couldn't.


Hoppalong said:
The more I think about this the more upset I get.

I empathize with the group of cruiser riders just out for a pleasant putt through the woods. Those careless, thoughtless, stupid, reckless, reckless squids need to be PUNISHED!

The lead squid has already suffered the ultimate punishment. But he wasn't racing alone. Those other squids that were racing with him are also responsible for the deaths and the injuries to the others.

Those squids need to be PUNISHED!
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Pro Tip: You'll read a LOT of stuff on this forum that will get you riled up. Might want to take a breath and let it go... your blood pressure will thank you for it...
As for the sprotbile riders... yeah, the lead rider messed up bad- and paid for it with his life. But they call it "young and dumb" for a reason... if the harley riders hadn't been there, it would've been another "whoops oh shit!" moment that his buddies gave him shit about later... and most of the riders I know had a moment or two of those early on in their riding careers... are you telling me you've never blown a double yellow? It's a terrible tragedy... but it could just as easily have been "just" a pucker moment...
Something for us all to think about the next time we're out riding and wick it up a bit...
 
Kornholio said:
Where exactly did it say they were on Harleys? :|
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I actually said HD, but I said HD/cruisers, because somebody did say the other bikes were cruisers.

Connie, you know how much I respect all of the work that you do with riders. But if I may say something that is over 25 years old now... my first day in motor-school the LAPD instructors told us that the person who was most likely to kill us was the late teen to twenty something rider who was riding the high performance motorcycle. Studies had shown that they have very little risk awarness or concern about other using the roadway.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and it seems like we still have a 25 year old problem.

Oh and don't even get me started on the Sons of Anarchy want-to-be riders. I am equal opportunity on what riders put all of us at risk.
 
MCSFTGUY said:
I actually said HD, but I said HD/cruisers, because somebody did say the other bikes were cruisers.

Connie, you know how much I respect all of the work that you do with riders. But if I may say something that is over 25 years old now... my first day in motor-school the LAPD instructors told us that the person who was most likely to kill us was the late teen to twenty something rider who was riding the high performance motorcycle. Studies had shown that they have very little risk awarness or concern about other using the roadway.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and it seems like we still have a 25 year old problem.

Oh and don't even get me started on the Sons of Anarchy want-to-be riders. I am equal opportunity on what riders put all of us at risk.
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I know you did. I was referring to the article posted. I'm 100% equal opportunity as well.
 
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