Running up a class...

[TonMonkey]

So I just went back through the rulebook to see what other classes (if any) I wanted to run at THill and think I've made a mistake... Apparently it's not allowed for me to run my little 250 up a class into 350 Prod? (6.1.3) There is a lot about going down a class, but only 600cc and 750cc can run up a class? (c)

 

[Mick-e]

I would have said you're wrong, but I looked.

6.1.3
PRODUCTION:
Production Rules apply (ref. Section 9.1). Each of the
following displacement categories is a class:
175-250 cc
251-350 cc

d) 600 cc and 750 cc class bikes may run up a class

You're Production legal Ninja 250 may not run in 350P

 

[TWF]

Funny how some rules quietly disappear
650 TW were legal to run in Open Twins for same exact reason 600/750 are allowed to run up class.
Wonder why 250 would not be allowed in 350?

 

[TonMonkey]

Not sure, but (because I'm an idiot and didn't read the rules close enough) I owe someone my trophy from last race.

 

[AdrenalineJunky]

That just doesnt seem to make sense to me... so many 250 riders, why would the AFM limit them from running up a class if they want?

 

[McLovin]

It's probably just an oversight. I think the intention is to let all bikes run up a class but because there are so many classes it's sometimes hard to determine which one is 'up a class'. For the 600/750 it's easy, go to 750/1000. What about for the 450 triples? is that 600? I don't think you want those bikes racing together.

With the 350 class being so new I think It just didn't get into the rulebook. I ran a 250 last year and ran it with many other 250s in the 350 class.

 

[FourThreeSix]

It's probably just an oversight. I think the intention is to let all bikes run up a class but because there are so many classes it's sometimes hard to determine which one is 'up a class'. For the 600/750 it's easy, go to 750/1000. What about for the 650 twins? is that 750? I don't think you want those bikes racing together.

With the 350 class being so new I think It just didn't get into the rulebook. I ran a 250 last year and ran it with many other 250s in the 350 class.

Indeed. I rode 350 Prod most of the year last year on a 250 and we still have 250s in 350 Prod this year. Your 250 is legal in 250 Prod, 250 SBK, Lightweight Twins, 350 Prod, and Formula III.

 

[TWF]

It's probably just an oversight. I think the intention is to let all bikes run up a class but because there are so many classes it's sometimes hard to determine which one is 'up a class'. For the 600/750 it's easy, go to 750/1000. What about for the 450 triples? is that 600? I don't think you want those bikes racing together.

With the 350 class being so new I think It just didn't get into the rulebook. I ran a 250 last year and ran it with many other 250s in the 350 class.

Running up class was not allowed in afm in past. It was voted in to allow 650's, 600's and 750's due to contingency.
Some bikes could have run anyway due to size, example sv650 was legal for 600 class and F1 simply due to displacement.
Back than there was no 700P or F4 so we used to enter 600SB class or F1. But we could not run Open Twins.

 

[Mick-e]

Your 250 is legal in 250 Prod, 250 SBK, Lightweight Twins, 350 Prod, and Formula III.

Actually it's not. If you look at the rule book, it is technically not allowed to run up. Is this an oversite that needs to be corrected? Maybe, and the board can make that clarification, but as the black and white rules read. No it isn't allowed to run up. Just because you have been doesn't mean you should have been.
Besides how many races do you want to ride in anyway?
There's like 10 mini bike classes now. So many I can't tell which is which

 

[McLovin]

Running up class was not allowed in afm in past. It was voted in to allow 650's, 600's and 750's due to contingency.
Some bikes could have run anyway due to size, example sv650 was legal for 600 class and F1 simply due to displacement.
Back than there was no 700P or F4 so we used to enter 600SB class or F1. But we could not run Open Twins.

Hmm, today I learned.

 

[TonMonkey]

Hah, yeah I was in 5 races at Sonoma (which felt like a lot) but some of my favorite racing was in that class, so I'm bummed to hear I'll have to skip it. Maybe Berto et al could chime in and let us know if it's just an oversight? 2015 rules say the same, so unless it's an old oversight I'll just be crawling back into my class like a whipped dog...

 

[FourThreeSix]

Actually it's not. If you look at the rule book, it is technically not allowed to run up. Is this an oversite that needs to be corrected? Maybe, and the board can make that clarification, but as the black and white rules read. No it isn't allowed to run up. Just because you have been doesn't mean you should have been.
Besides how many races do you want to ride in anyway?
There's like 10 mini bike classes now. So many I can't tell which is which

*Should be legal for...

Interesting oversight for sure. I would shoot the AFM brass an email for clarification.

 

[sean931]

Ideally allowing the 250s to run up to 350 prod should be allowed (and I say this as someone who no longer owns any 250s for the first time in my racing career). The performance of these bikes isn't all that different, so safety isn't really a concern. Plus more entries = more money for the AFM which is a good thing.

 

[caudice]

May be against the rules technically, but this is the first time anyone's said anything about it and 350p has been full of 250's since it became a class. I would keep running it until someone tells me not to.

 

[ZXR400SP]

It's probably just an oversight. I think the intention is to let all bikes run up a class but because there are so many classes it's sometimes hard to determine which one is 'up a class'. For the 600/750 it's easy, go to 750/1000. What about for the 450 triples? is that 600? I don't think you want those bikes racing together..

Depends on the rider more than the bike. Put a fast rider on a cripple and they won't finish last in the 600 class. In fact at Sonoma they'd probably be mid pack.

 

[Holeshot]

250's can run up into 350P.