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SoCal Drunk Driver who killed 6 already had previous DUI

m_asim said:
Why are you calling that cunt a lady?

Yes Inkman I know alcoholism is a disease having known many good people who just couldn't kick the booze. But they also never drove knowing fully well they could end up killing people.

You get one DUI conviction, your license needs to be taken away for 5 years and be on your record forever so that if you even go 1mph over speed limit, you get the book thrown at you.
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Taking the license doesn't help. They keep driving. Sit in at your local court during arraignments. I bet most of the cases are driving without/suspended license and shoplifting.

It will cost a lot of money to put all hose drivers in jail.
 
Meter Man said:
Taking the license doesn't help. They keep driving. Sit in at your local court during arraignments. I bet most of the cases are driving without/suspended license and shoplifting.

It will cost a lot of money to put all hose drivers in jail.
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I was struck about how serious DUI laws are in other countries when I met a drunk Australian who cringed in fear when I mentioned going for a drive.

He had one dui several years ago, and his second would have resulted in a permanent loss of his license.

In America, it is your fourth DUI conviction.
 
Meter Man said:
Taking the license doesn't help. They keep driving. Sit in at your local court during arraignments. I bet most of the cases are driving without/suspended license and shoplifting.

It will cost a lot of money to put all hose drivers in jail.
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Yes it won't stop everyone for sure. But it will stop many. I know some people who started taking public transportation after getting their licenses revoked. If this saves even one life (it could be you or someone you love), it would be worth it.
 
MikeyRocks said:
Are you certain these people didn't already have their license suspended? Perhaps they received the other convictions while driving with a suspended license. The courts allow 4 points in 12 months, 6 in 24, and 8 in 36 before they suspend your license.
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Positive they didn't already have suspended licenses--at least the one guy. I was talking with him before we went into court actually. Very milquetoast looking gent...khakis, denim shirt, going on about his kids, had a respectable office job from the sounds of things, lives in Marin County. I was playing up a little about what a rebel I was with my motorcycle and how many speeding tickets I'd had. He was very quiet. We get into court and it turns out that he doesn't like stopping, like, ever. Not for red lights, stop signs, pedestrians... He's gotten nailed for all of them. The judge made a move to request that the DMV revoke his license. I was baffled that he still had one.

My comparison was that BARF isn't a lethal weapon and a car is and yet our rules seem more strict. I wasn't trying to belittle anything about the story in the o.p.
 
driver's previous DUI was at age 17.

she just got her restrictions lifted last week.

I'm wonder if her two passengers were drunk too not able to STOP her. the car was on TWO freeways going the wrong way. they estimate she was going 100mph at the time of the TC.

I bet the cunt will be out in less than 10 years.
 
If we went after Drunk drivers...
How could we do that, and still let Sociopathic politicians run amok though?

And Sociopathic CEO's that send our jobs to the lowest paying labor force countries, so the CEO can do the only thing they care about..Greater profit for them.

Seems like a can of worms getting opened.
 
She's just misunderstood. Maybe some councelling and a few million dollars in compensation for her pain and suffering could help her.
 
SFSV650 said:
What would you propose?
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Our DUI laws are pretty lenient compared to Japan:

1. Driving Under the Influence, BAC .08 or higher
Previous maximum sentence: Imprisonment with hard labor not to exceed 3 years or a fine not exceeding 500,000 yen
New maximum: Imprisonment with hard labor not to exceed 5 years or fine not exceeding 1,000,000 yen.
2. Driving While Impaired, BAC .03 to .79
Previous maximum sentence: Imprisonment with hard labor not to exceed 1 year or a fine not exceeding 300,000 yen
New maximum: Imprisonment with hard labor not to exceed 3 years or a fine not exceeding 500,000 yen
3. Providing an intoxicated person with a vehicle (new law)
Maximum sentence: Same punishment as a drunken driver receives shall be applied.
4. Providing a person with alcohol who subsequently gets a DUI or DWI (new law)
Maximum sentence: Imprisonment with hard labor not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding 500,000 yen for DUI; 2 years imprisonment, 300,000 yen fine for DWI
5. Riding as passengers in a vehicle operated by an intoxicated person (new law)
Maximum sentence: Imprisonment with hard labor not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding 500,000 yen for DUI; 2 years imprisonment, 300,000 yen fine for DWI
6. Rejecting balloon (sobriety) test
Previous maximum punishment: Fine not exceeding 300,000 yen
New maximum: Confinement not exceeding 3 months or fine not exceeding 500,000 yen 7. Hit and run
Previous maximum sentence: Confinement not exceeding 5 years or fine not exceeding 500,000 yen
New maximum: Confinement not exceeding 10 years or fine not exceeding 1,000,000 yen

Maybe we can learn a few things from Japan. I like the idea of hard labor. I'm not talking about community service, like volunteering at a senior home or picking up garbage on the side of the freeway. How about we make offenders work on a farm cleaning up cow shit or clean up raw sewage.
 
SFSV650 said:
What would you propose?
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I don't know the solution.


Depending on source used between 1-2 million people are arrested for DUI each year. These are only the ones caught.

The cost to incarcerate that many people with a smaller number added each year would be immense.

I am not smart enough to know the real solution but I know we can't arrest our way out of it.

Many parts of the country, culturally, don't acknowledge the activity is even wrong. I've heard many times people using the phrase "that's a six pack drive" or "you could finish a rack by the time you get there".

In my youth it was common to have a road beer (open container was legal) and bars provided go cups for beer and cocktails. I am not very old.

Alcohol is in the top 3 of destructive forces on earth.
 
louemc said:
If we went after Drunk drivers...
How could we do that, and still let Sociopathic politicians run amok though?

And Sociopathic CEO's that send our jobs to the lowest paying labor force countries, so the CEO can do the only thing they care about..Greater profit for them.

Seems like a can of worms getting opened.
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Seems like someone does not want to fix a problem and making up excuses. :|
 
MikeyRocks said:
4. Providing a person with alcohol who subsequently gets a DUI or DWI (new law)
Maximum sentence: Imprisonment with hard labor not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding 500,000 yen for DUI; 2 years imprisonment, 300,000 yen fine for DWI
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Everything else looks good, but I have a problem with this one.
 
m_asim said:
Why are you calling that cunt a lady?

Yes Inkman I know alcoholism is a disease having known many good people who just couldn't kick the booze. But they also never drove knowing fully well they could end up killing people.

You get one DUI conviction, your license needs to be taken away for 5 years and be on your record forever so that if you even go 1mph over speed limit, you get the book thrown at you.
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I'd say that's bullshit. EVERY drunk I know, and I know a bunch, thinks they're OK to drive even when they are completely shitfaced.

You know why they won't take away a license for 5 years for DUI? Because being a drunk is accepted by society. Judges drink. Everybody involved in that court proceedings drinks. Every lawmaker in Sacramento or DC drinks. DUI is accepted and that isn't going to change.
 
It would be expensive to lock people up and just have them sitting on their ass. Put them to work in some way that's not undercutting private business. I'm not going to pretend to try and solve that part of the issue but locking people up with nothing for them doesn't do anyone any favor. They're going to be released at some point and 10yrs of no skills doesn't leave you with many options when released. No options makes for repeat offenders.
 
cycle61 said:
Everything else looks good, but I have a problem with this one.
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Agreed, and I'm sure many bartenders and bar owners would as well. Perhaps modifying it so we only penalize those who supply alcohol to someone with a suspended license as a result of a DUI. This would be difficult to enforce, but hey we're just throwing ideas out there right?
 
hophead said:
So true inkman, until one day when they wake up and it is too late?
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A friends wife was told she had 6 months to live, if she was lucky, because of the damage she did to her heart, lungs and circulatory system from her rampant drug use over the years...

She still used them!

Now though, she was trying to "self medicate" the symptoms, rather than "just getting high".

It took her a couple more trips to the hospital ER to finally stop that.
She'll leave three kids behind when she finally croaks. Three kids that she bragged about being high at every birth.

Some of them will NEVER learn.
 
corndog67 said:
I'd say that's bullshit. EVERY drunk I know, and I know a bunch, thinks they're OK to drive even when they are completely shitfaced.

You know why they won't take away a license for 5 years for DUI? Because being a drunk is accepted by society. Judges drink. Everybody involved in that court proceedings drinks. Every lawmaker in Sacramento or DC drinks. DUI is accepted and that isn't going to change.
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This x 100.

I grew up with an alcoholic brother. This 'we just don't understand addiction' stuff is bullshit. We understand it, we just aren't willing as a society to deal with it because it hits too close to home. Fuck the drunk drivers. Put em on work farms or put em in the ground. Too many innocent people getting taken out everyday by these scumbags. But of course, the real victims are the addicts...
 
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