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Stoner to Honda

JO EBRMC said:
Just for some perspective:

Win/DNF Ratio:

Stoner: 2.0 (2 wins for every crash)
Pedrosa 0.89 (~9 wins for 10 crashes)
Lorenzo: .087 (~9 wins for 10 crashes)
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That could be misleading.. How bout podium, or top 5 / DNF?
 
I'll call the Stoner-to-Honda scenario too. If movement must be made with Casey in GP, Honda's really the only one left if Ducati can't/won't retain him, cause there's certainly no room in Yamaha, and the rest of the options aren't much options at all.
 
Foxhole Atheist said:
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Don't know where the idea that Italian or Spanish sites "just make shit up" comes from; maybe what happens is second-hand translations make the original sound more definitive than they are.
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The riders are often quoted as saying this.
 
Foxhole Atheist said:
U.S. journalism relies on unnamed sources all the time; a lot of stories wouldn't be possible without it. Dennis Noyes often runs stories with unnamed sources.
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Right, but Noyes, as well as any reputable outlet won't claim that the information is confirmed or a done deal.

Don't know where the idea that Italian or Spanish sites "just make shit up" comes from; maybe what happens is second-hand translations make the original sound more definitive than they are.
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How many stories have we seen that ended up being totally untrue where the source of the information was an italian site? I would be willing to go so far as to say that pretty much all of them have been.
 
weak_link said:
The riders are often quoted as saying this.
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I remember Burgess' remark re Rossi-to-Ducati that "It’s a bunch of dickhead Italian journalists trying to out-scandal each other," but the stories are pretty upfront about it being a rumor or speculation.

The other facet is that MotoGP has a real following in Spain and Italy and gets big coverage; in most English-speaking countries and especially in the U.S., it's right up there with badminton and fencing. So the amount of hot air is proportional to the amount of attention it gets.

MotoGP and SBK wouldn't have half the cachet they did if they relied on the interest of Anglophone countries.
 
JO EBRMC said:
How many stories have we seen that ended up being totally untrue where the source of the information was an italian site? I would be willing to go so far as to say that pretty much all of them have been.
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Links, por favor (see also my comment above about second-hand translations).
 
sally101 said:
That could be misleading.. How bout podium, or top 5 / DNF?
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I'm not really understanding how that could be misleading but anyway...

Podium/DNF Ratios:

Stoner: 3.4
Rossi: 8.7
Pedrosa: 4.3
Lorenzo: 2.6
 
Foxhole Atheist said:
Links, por favor (see also my comment above about second-hand translations).
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I think you might be the only person that doesn't believe the Italian media is yellow journalism. Even outside of MotoGP this is true.

However, if it helps:

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/motogp/articoli/articolo28248.shtml

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3459/alex-de-angelis-its-not-true-that-there-was-a-ducati-for-me

There are also countless stories about Rossi going to Ducati from last year.
 
9M61 said:
I don't see how you get much more cemented than Rossi already is.

Love him or hate him, he is the greatest of all time.
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Well there's always Giacomo Agostini...
 
sally101 said:
That changes things.. Pedrosa beats stoner..
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:wtf

What does that change? Pedrosa and Stoner have nearly the same crash percentage but Stoner wins more often...and scores more points.
 
JO EBRMC said:
I think you might be the only person that doesn't believe the Italian media is yellow journalism. Even outside of MotoGP this is true.

However, if it helps:

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/motogp/articoli/articolo28248.shtml

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3459/alex-de-angelis-its-not-true-that-there-was-a-ducati-for-me

There are also countless stories about Rossi going to Ducati from last year.
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Good link, thanks. Still not sure if it's a question of Italian rumor-mongering or just a result of a lot more writing on the subject. When it comes to yellow journalism, though, I don't think Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are Italian.
 
Regardless of the stats you use, Stoner has out-performed Pedrosa in nearly every category. The fact is, Stoner is no more of a crasher than Pedrosa and yet, again, he is known as one. Unfairly. Both Pedrosa and Stoner have 11 crashes.
 
JO EBRMC said:
Regardless of the stats you use, Stoner has out-performed Pedrosa in nearly every category. The fact is, Stoner is no more of a crasher than Pedrosa and yet, again, he is known as one. Unfairly. Both Pedrosa and Stoner have 11 crashes.
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True.. And I am a stoner fan, but it seems like he crashes at the worst times.. He must have the record for crashes while leading..
 
Please DO NOT let that little pedrobot team up with Nicky again. It's bad enough he's even out there let alone a team mate again.
 
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