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Surprise! Sarah Palins 17 year old unmarried daughter pregnant!

So is an unwed teenage daughter of the VP the kind of family values the republican party has been preaching for the past 8 years? :rolleyes
 
elbacalao said:
So is an unwed teenage daughter of the VP the kind of family values the republican party has been preaching for the past 8 years? :rolleyes
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Why do you say past 8 years? The family values term was Bush1.

It's really quite amazing what lengths some of you will go to to find fault with McCain. Oh my god, his VP has a pregnant daughter...omg. OMG!
 
jdhu said:
Get over yourself.

You said that McCain is "not running a campaign based on morals anyway" (paraphrased). The OBVIOUS implication here is that the girl's pregnancy adds some sort of "immorality," and that McCain was foolish to pick Palin because of it (maybe YOU should go back and re-read).

I think it's impressive that you are not afraid to speak your mind online, and "have the capacity to do so" (wow, amazing!). Must require a lot of courage and intelligence...
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ah, now i see your point, and you are correct. see how that works? if you take the time to express yourself with logic and reason, rather than ineffective debate tactics based in frustration and anger, you win.

now if you leave the insults behind, maybe you'll find that they won't be returned. how about we agree to try that next time we have a political discussion... agreed?
 
greggargubby said:
ah, now i see your point, and you are correct. see how that works? if you take the time to express yourself with logic and reason, rather than ineffective debate tactics based in frustration and anger, you win.

now if you leave the insults behind, maybe you'll find that they won't be returned. how about we agree to try that next time we have a political discussion... agreed?
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Cool (although I thought my original post was quite clear). I only get "angry" when people say things like "your Republican bias is showing," or "you lack reading comprehension" when I am addressing the substantive portions of their posts.

Your post was passive-aggressively insulting. If you don't insult, I won't.
 
jdhu said:
Cool (although I thought my original post was quite clear). I only get "angry" when people say things like "your Republican bias is showing," or "you lack reading comprehension" when I am addressing the substantive portions of their posts.

Your post was passive-aggressively insulting. If you don't insult, I won't.
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fair enough.
 
jdhu said:
You have got to be kidding...can you quote where I agreed with that sentiment?

Nothing that Blu said is offensive or incorrect. It is better for society to have as many productive people as possible (tough concept, I know). He even added that this is his opinion only...
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Yes, I was kidding....kinda like; "so, when did you stop beating your wife", you were getting kinda worked up :teeth

I'm not offended by Blu's comment, it takes all types. It's just nice to put things in perspective.
 
As an observer on this game of politics, it is interesting that the effective play that the McCain team did to take away the Obama's team thunder from their convention, namely name the very distracting Sarah Palin as his running mate just a day after the DNC convention has in turn backfired by distracting the press away from the first day of their convention (which was already impacted by mother nature) with this item.

It should be a fun game to watch for the next couple months (unlike previous contests which were more like watching two people you didn't want kicking each other in the balls to see who we got stuck with). :teeth
 
planegray said:
Yes, I was kidding....kinda like; "so, when did you stop beating your wife", you were getting kinda worked up :teeth

I'm not offended by Blu's comment, it takes all types. It's just nice to put things in perspective.
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Uh, I don't see how your post put anything in perspective (by asking if Blu was communist Chinese?).
 
jdhu said:
Why do you say past 8 years? The family values term was Bush1.

It's really quite amazing what lengths some of you will go to to find fault with McCain. Oh my god, his VP has a pregnant daughter...omg. OMG!
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i really don't think that's much of a stretch. it would be if the republican party wasn't so evangelized or claimed to occupy the moral high ground so often, but it does.

i have nothing but respect for the republican party's electioneering skills. granted, i'm not so sure they're 100% legal, but, hey, in any competition, it's the job of the competitors to cheat to win, but not get caught. but this is the point and what i was trying to say earlier that got confused: i don't think this is good electioneering on the part of mccain.

you took that to mean i thought something was immoral, which i don't (although, obviously, some people do). what i meant was i don't think palin is his ideal choice due to this. and i certainly think it has bearing on this election; as i said earlier, if this were a non-issue, the RNC and gustav would drown it out. but they aren't.

in other words, i was not trying to imply immorality on the part of mccain, palin, or her daughter, or that this would affect their abilities as politicians, but i can certainly see how you would read my first post to mean that.
 
jdhu said:
Why do you say past 8 years? The family values term was Bush1.

It's really quite amazing what lengths some of you will go to to find fault with McCain. Oh my god, his VP has a pregnant daughter...omg. OMG!
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For the sake of argument and to flesh out the hidden question-- does Palin's apparent inability to educate and control her children reflect poorly on her chances of properly leading this country? Or, in more detail, do the teenager's decisions reflect the parenting ability of the mother, and does the parenting ability of the mother reflect her political leadership ability. That's the undercurrent and the question everyone is implying.

If you believe that it does affect her ability to lead, then you have to question Bill's judgement at using the oval office as a hook-up joint, and vice versa.

I tend to believe that they are not directly related except insomuch as having children (or extramarital affairs) you have to manage acts as a distraction from a very important career.
 
greggargubby said:
i really don't think that's much of a stretch. it would be if the republican party wasn't so evangelized or claimed to occupy the moral high ground so often, but it does.

i have nothing but respect for the republican party's electioneering skills. granted, i'm not so sure they're 100% legal, but, hey, in any competition, it's the job of the competitors to cheat to win, but not get caught. but this is the point and what i was trying to say earlier that got confused: i don't think this is good electioneering on the part of mccain.

you took that to mean i thought something was immoral, which i don't (although, obviously, some people do). what i meant was i don't think palin is his ideal choice due to this. and i certainly think it has bearing on this election; as i said earlier, if this were a non-issue, the RNC and gustav would drown it out. but they aren't.

in other words, i was not trying to imply immorality on the part of mccain, palin, or her daughter, or that this would affect their abilities as politicians, but i can certainly see how you would read my first post to mean that.
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Disagree with a lot here (not surprising). First, philosophically, competition is about winning fairly, not cheating. I would like you to point out how the Republicans may have behaved illegally.

As you now understand, if you point out that McCain is "not about morality anyway" and then go on to discuss the daughter's pregnancy, I think most logical, reasonable people will take the inference that I did. If you had not made the "morality" comment, then no confusion.

And again, I disagree that Palin's unwed, pregnant daughter makes Palin a bad or not-as-good choice. As far as the media coverage, this news just broke, and because she was JUST selected as VP, it's still in the news. I am willing to bet it is a non-issue in this election (Cheney's daughter is gay, and that was a non-issue; this is even more insignificant).
 
rritterson said:
For the sake of argument and to flesh out the hidden question-- does Palin's apparent inability to educate and control her children reflect poorly on her chances of properly leading this country? Or, in more detail, do the teenager's decisions reflect the parenting ability of the mother, and does the parenting ability of the mother reflect her political leadership ability. That's the undercurrent and the question everyone is implying.
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Right, I understand the point people are trying to make.

As those with children will attest, one can have a "screwed up" kid (I don't think teenage pregnancy necessarily means a screw up) despite great parenting. She has 4 other kids; if only one of 5 is "screwed up," well is she a good parent or not?
 
jdhu said:
Disagree with a lot here (not surprising). First, philosophically, competition is about winning fairly, not cheating. I would like you to point out how the Republicans may have behaved illegally.

As you now understand, if you point out that McCain is "not about morality anyway" and then go on to discuss the daughter's pregnancy, I think most logical, reasonable people will take the inference that I did. If you had not made the "morality" comment, then no confusion.

And again, I disagree that Palin's unwed, pregnant daughter makes Palin a bad or not-as-good choice. As far as the media coverage, this news just broke, and because she was JUST selected as VP, it's still in the news. I am willing to bet it is a non-issue in this election (Cheney's daughter is gay, and that was a non-issue; this is even more insignificant).
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i didn't say they behaved illegaly, i said i didn't know if they had or not. lots of people think they have not. i've read some compelling arguments that back those claims, but i still don't claim to know. if you care to read some of those, here's a quick google search (but i've only read a bit of them, so some could be total crackpots). i did read the rolling stone aritcle and it seemed pretty thoroughly evidenced, but i don't view it as an impartial source.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ohio+2004+election

as far as the 'morality' comment goes, you are correct. what i failed to point out is that i was refering the judgment of others, not me, when it comes to mccain's and palin's morality.

as far as cheney's daughter, i can't say i buy your argument. getting pregnant is a matter of choice, and although many conservative people would argue this, being gay is not a matter of choice. morality is about making the right choices. even if you don't agree with that statement, i'd bet my last buck that more than 51% of the population would, hence cheney's daughter's preference wasn't an issue. so, to me, the two circumstances are not parallels.
 
jdhu said:
Uh, I don't see how your post put anything in perspective (by asking if Blu was communist Chinese?).
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well, it might explain his espousing the idea that childbearing should be left to the wealthy, or controlled to exclude certain people
 
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Yeah, this "scandal" doesn't really have legs.

I'm sure the Republicans have oppo research people working on Sasha and Malia even as we speak. And if one of them is found to have lied about eating the last cookie, or accidentally dropped a puppy, or said "shit" out loud, hoo boy! That'll be the SCANDAL OF THE MILLENNIUM!!
 
rritterson said:
For the sake of argument and to flesh out the hidden question-- does Palin's apparent inability to educate and control her children reflect poorly on her chances of properly leading this country? Or, in more detail, do the teenager's decisions reflect the parenting ability of the mother, and does the parenting ability of the mother reflect her political leadership ability. That's the undercurrent and the question everyone is implying.
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Frankly, I just think that it's beautifully ironic that a social conservative mother who is fiercely anti-abortion and in favor of abstinence only sex-ed ends up with a pregnant, unwed, minor daughter.

I mean, politics aside, nobody else finds that to just be pretty damn funny?
 
Ths scandel is, its believed to be McCains baby, they dated briefly after she graduated middle school.
 
greggargubby said:
i didn't say they behaved illegaly, i said i didn't know if they had or not. lots of people think they have not. i've read some compelling arguments that back those claims, but i still don't claim to know. if you care to read some of those, here's a quick google search (but i've only read a bit of them, so some could be total crackpots). i did read the rolling stone aritcle and it seemed pretty thoroughly evidenced, but i don't view it as an impartial source.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ohio+2004+election

as far as the 'morality' comment goes, you are correct. what i failed to point out is that i was refering the judgment of others, not me, when it comes to mccain's and palin's morality.

as far as cheney's daughter, i can't say i buy your argument. getting pregnant is a matter of choice, and although many conservative people would argue this, being gay is not a matter of choice. morality is about making the right choices. even if you don't agree with that statement, i'd bet my last buck that more than 51% of the population would, hence cheney's daughter's preference wasn't an issue. so, to me, the two circumstances are not parallels.
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To start, I didn't say you said the Reps behaved illegally; I said I would like you to point out how they MAY have done so (which was based on your own words).

I brought up Cheney's daughter because Cheney is (obviously) a social conservative; in both of these cases, the parent/candidate espouses a view that is contradicted (seemingly) by their kids; hence the analogy.
 
mikev said:
Frankly, I just think that it's beautifully ironic that a social conservative mother who is fiercely anti-abortion and in favor of abstinence only sex-ed ends up with a pregnant, unwed, minor daughter.

I mean, politics aside, nobody else finds that to just be pretty damn funny?
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beyond funny. almost as funny as another hurricane slamming into new orleans at the start of the RNC. the ironing is rich.
 
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