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Tesla Model 3: End of the Internal-Combustion Engine?
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mrzuzzo
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You are getting base model at the upper most range. I guess I should have said base model starts below 30k. At 30+k range should at least be bumped to 300.
Killroy1999
Well-known member
People read so much FUD about "TESLA WILL NEVER RELEASE THE $35,000 MODEL 3" that people have accepted the FUD as fact.
mrzuzzo
New member
How much do you drive that you need to 300 miles of range anyways?
My Model S has 260 miles of range, but I seldom charge it above 60-70%.
I don't think most people understand how pointless paying for that extra range is.
As I said my personal price point is base model under 30k, not the top most range.
I am not most people. I do enough 100+ one way trips through out a year and I don't really want to search for charging station at the destination to drive back that ideally I would prefer 300 mile range. Specially if I am forking over 35k. Again this is my price point and requirement.
Killroy1999
Well-known member
I forgot about your specific requirements and I was going to suggest the used market (always a advantage), but I just checked Autotrader and the used market is really thin and expensive for Model 3. It looks like owners like hanging on to their cars.
Right now if you want to do a road trip in a EV and fast charge - Tesla is the only good option.
Other auto makers and DC fast charge networks have had issues working together. ChargeGate some call it. Nissan Leaf owners thought their car was going to charge fast, but on the second fast charge, they were not charging at the peak rate.
When VW auto group committed the diesel emission scandal - the largest automotive scandal in history- they were ordered in the US to start up "Electrify America" charge network with fast chargers that were as good as better as Tesla Superchargers (~250 kW). Yet, there is a antidote of Audi owners begging to have a Tesla because basically Electrify America charge network does not work. It does sound like EA will improve , but they have to stand on their own with no more startup money from VW.
mrzuzzo
New member
You really shouldn't just single out Nissan here. What about Tesla's batterygate?
Tesla capped the battery capacity of many older cars with the 85kwh batteries and also crippled their charging rates.
Presumably, this is to prevent fires but nobody got a straight answer from Tesla because Tesla is a piece of shit company when it comes to customer service.
I believe there is litigation ongoing now to resolve this issue.
I would just avoid the gen 1 car of any manufacturer. Prone to have issues and Tesla is no exception.
ScarySpikes
tastes like burning
If Fiskers SUV thing comes true, the base model, after incentives, will be about 30k. A lot of the cars get to a place where after incentives they are at 30k or so, as long as the incentives hold out.
Though, I certainly would like to see the price difference between EV and ICE start to equalize.
Personally, I want to see a small, EV sporty car competing with the Toyota GT86, Civic Type R, Veloster N, Miata, with that same 200+ range and priced where they are, 30-40k.
Killroy1999
Well-known member
That sucks. I dont know the details. I know some range estimates went down, I did not know charge rate went down. Can you give numbers.
In the case of the Audi owner, he could not charge at all. If I find the video, I will post it.
295566
Numbers McGee
I don't think you understand how the vehicle market works.
How many people need a 200+ hp superbike?
How many people need an AWD vehicle in such a moderate climate like CA?
How many people need lifted dually brodozers?
Mike95060
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It’s not a shortcoming, I just got out of the pool.
Mike95060
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Fiskers SUV? Not sure but heard about it.
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Killroy1999
Well-known member
The video I was referring too below.
"Every time it did not work perfectly"
"I would beg to have (long lines at a Tesla Superchargers) because I have this Audi Etron and I can't get it to charge... stuck for hours..."
[youtube]CJQXSl7fKUs&t=26s[/youtube]
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mrzuzzo
New member
Honestly, I've almost never had problems charging at DC fast chargers.
Tesla is becoming shitty at maintaining their infrastructure too. Plenty of chargers sit broken for months.
Tesla is becoming shitty at maintaining their infrastructure too. Plenty of chargers sit broken for months.
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Unfortunately, it's a case of if ifs and buts were candy and nuts. Too many promises being made in the EV field, way too much under delivery. And, as much as I like what I see in the Fisker designs, I just don't have any faith in him delivering at all.
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Sorry, but the cheapest, stripper Model 3 available from Tesla is $39,990 and most of those incentives, save the CA $2k, are gone. So, realistically, you're at 38k for the base car. There is a lot of competition around that price point that offers better looks, handling, comfort/space, etc. Realistically, the Model 3 is a $45-55k car in competitive form, where it offers some cool advantages that start to differentiate it a bit.
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