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The General Public's View of Motorcycles - Your answer is RIGHT HERE!

...Pumping out a Feanor?! :laughing

Thanks! ummm... I think? :p

Ok, I'll pump one out...

It's often difficult to grasp the specifics and significance of the current social attitude when you reach too far back into the cultural psyche.

Certainly, blacks, in many ways, have quite a long way to go and alot more to gain than they have in certain parts of the country, but at the one end, they were beaten and killed for forgetting to sweep the floor, and today, we have a black man putting in his real bid for President of the United States.

I believe its more applicable to talk about the social impact of "acceptance", rather than it is to think about people becoming "rational" and "reasonable" Such things are typically forced issues.

Are there people on this board that remember when killing someone with your car while you were driving drunk was treated with MUCH more lenience? This was in fact due to the fact that drinking (and smoking) was so much a normal part of society, that the negatives were seen as reasonable by-products of the behavior.

With the onset of more organizations like MADD, and more evidence of the addictive drug like qualities of alcohol, the image changed, and the byproducts of those activities changed as well. Going from "Of course he hit somebody, he was drunk!" to "He was driving after he'd been drinking?! What the hell is wrong with that idiot!"

Right now, you and I are living in the motorcycle era where the image of the criminal on two wheels, or the outlaw of the same, are more subliminal thoughts than they are behavior modifying beliefs. Right now we are inthe zone of apathy. The general populace look on motorcycles as a confusing oddity or interesting and sometimes irritating anomaly.

We are in that same zone as when driving drunk was expected to cause deaths and "accepted" with far more leniency than now.

Read any police blotter from any state in this country, and set side by side the stories of how Lady X driver turned left in front of motorcycle Y, killing the rider, and as a result Lady X is charged with failure to yield and a $270 fine, and then how Rider X hits a small sedan broadside, killing the driver and how he is charged with vehicular manslaughter and sentenced to a dozen years in prison.

The list of such inequities is endless and though perhaps not a motivator of opinion against motorcycles, it is certainly an indication of such.

I used to believe that the cause was lost, and that nothing could effect the levels of apathy and irritation that we are viewed with from the driving public, but I have seen glimmers of how things might turn around everyday, and these things give me heart and hope.

And though motorcycles will not enjoy the same kinds of positive boosts that villifying alcohol did for the stigma of drunk driving, there are other influences just as powerful. The rising cost of gasoline will force more and more people to look toward two wheels as a reasonable choice, for themselves, and if not for themselves, for other people. Traffic congestion and ways to avoid it (note I did not say prevent it) will have a huge influence on how the choice of riding a motorcycle is viewed, and a list of many other positive outcomes that I cannot at this time predict.

I believe that we are on the fringe of the beginning of a much more accpeted time for two wheels (despite the best efforts of squids and idiots to ruin it)

Like drunk driving in the 60's as viewed now, I think that in 40 or so odd years, technological and social advances and environmental factors will drive the situation toward the benefit of two wheels, and this will skew the perception in our favor as surely as looking at a polyester leisure suit and saying "What the F*#& were we thinking!!!"

I know, rose-colored glasses, but I prefer smoked visor :)

The stigma of drunk driving became "bad" and with that the penalties and perception followed suit... I believe the stigma of riding a motorcycle will eventually become "good" or at least "reasonable" or worthy of envy, and this will drive both legislation and perception. Laws do not change perception, acceptance changes perception, and that takes less time for some things than people might imagine...

XRSick50, it was a good post, because it invokes thought, and shows you to be thoughtful as well...

Stefan
 
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Motorcycling is a rather small and somewhat closed community.

I always thought bikes were interesting but I had no clue how to get started if I wanted to ride till I finally got to know well somebody who rode. Before that to me it was something "they" did and it was intersting but foreign.

So its typicall that the 90% (or whatever) of people who dont ride or arent close to riders prolly wont have the right idea about who and what the biker folks are and what were about.

As a result It's easy to imagine that riders are a bunch of crazy wild holligans or whatever sterotype exists out there in the general public when they see us on the road doing anything unusual or dangerous looking includng just riding.
 
Hmmm, interesting thought: group responsibility in a hobby most of us are already responsible in. We can't look cleaner than perfect, yet that one wheelie from the guy we can't control seems to ruin it for us. Hence my theory: motorcycling is an individual hobby...there is no group think here. If there is, I'll leave it to the AMA to put that one together.

I ride because I enjoy it. I don't give a rat's ass about the public perception as I'm sure I've also gotten scorn from my attitude, looks, or even financial bracket. Who knows. I'm not going to change that in someone else's head. That's their own perception.

I can be as clean as possible and not be a total jack ass.

I have no idea what slavery has to do with this thread but one thing I do love about riding is the camaraderie among riders across all racial and social boundaries. We have something the mini van public does not have and that seems to make us a passionate group of individuals.

The mini van public fears us because we don't follow all the rules, we're not scared 24/7 and we have a severe case of "loner can do it" attitude. That's the idea behind what I do: ultimate freedom.

I'd preach to others, "don't be an idiot when riding", but I've been riding far too long to really give a shit. Just don't fuck up my day and I'll make do.
 
One would think we should be able to get least a few pics out of Feanor and Feanor Jr. :twofinger
 
I went to my local 7-11 to get a pack of annoyance sticks (smokes). An older lady walked in and saw me standing in line with my 1 piece suit on, she gave me that WTF:wtf kinda look.
I wuz sitting outside enjoying a smoke and annoying teh neighbors.:teeth She walked out and started to comment.

Lady: "I see you as the guy BLAZING around corners, pulling wheelies, burning out your rear tire just to see it smoke."

Me: "Well I am not quite that talented"

Lady: ":wtf "

Me: "That's NOT the way I was taught to act or ride, you could just call me a safety nut"

Lady: "Then why the suit?:wtf "

Me: "Safety. You ever seen a kid come crying home cause he fell off his BMX bike and scraped his knee? The kid prolly had a hole in his jeans and knee. Now imagine that at 30-80 mph. I want to keep my knees."

Lady: "Well that makes sense, plus you got all these people whom can't drive and pay attention, while talking on cell phones"

Me: ";) "

Lady: "Well stay safe"

Me: ":smoking :thumbup "

So her perception of me was, just as the OP pointed out. A Mad Max rip-'em up Kamikaze on a death wish. A 20 second conversation let her know not every biker is of the mentality some present on the streets. Don't get me wrong I am no :angel , though I can only represent myself, others don't see it that way. There is no "you" in MY SELF CONTROL. And I choose not to let others effect me.

P.S. My high-beam is burnt out so no bothering folks there, though my non-projector, high-cutoff H.I.D. should still be enough to piss off someone here....where's Yody. :laughing :twofinger

Christian
 
Great Post!
I have the summation of this post in conversation almost on a daily bases, and have only been rideing since last summer and through the winter. I worry that my middle finger is going to get stuck in the extended position, I flip so many of the cagers off for being..... cagers. Cagers on phones, cager watching dvds, cagers rolling blunts. Not even two weeks ago some A**Hole blocked on comming traffic ready to fight! Because I was ridding too slow watching out for some little kids waiting for their mom to let them into thier vehicle, and I did not want to zip by and startle anyone in a really congested. piece of town. That dude made a serious mistake when he got out of the car. Details aren't necessary, I still looked like the bad guy. Because bikers, I've learned, really do come across as intimidateing. Frak the 'HYPHIE' image BS! I do care. I will fight for what matters, right down to Human decency.

Till Underverse Comes,
Maddroxx

P.S. to the women that clutch her pures in the elevator when I'm in one. I know they don't read this but; I'm doing this as hard as I can.
 
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XRsick50 said:

Ride safe, ride well, and know that the odds are against us. Until we get those TV commercials, billboards, pamphlets, etc. we have a serious uphill battle that's going to last a long time.

+1

Well said. FWIW, I always try to be considerate when riding. Goodwill goes along way. If you can change one persons negative perception of motorcyclists, then it is a good thing.
 
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I see it as an age thing. Young people raise hell, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it's always going to be. Young dumb and full of it...no pamphlets from Pueblo, Colo. will change that. :cool
 
afm956 said:
I see it as an age thing. Young people raise hell, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it's always going to be. Young dumb and full of it...no pamphlets from Pueblo, Colo. will change that. :cool

here you go... Just to let people know that some things can change and some can't :)

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On whom does the blame now fall for the predicament we find ourselves in this day? For the curt and reasonable among all men wish nothing than to be governed and to act with reason and in reasonable ways.

The march of progress is swift and affords us many wonders, of which I find too dizzying to count or comprehend. With such advantage, where then lay the base of our failure.

I see the weakness in the Republic in its youth. The young people of this day see neither reason, nor the just application of reason. They are disrespectful and have no mind of the sacrifice that their parents and elders have made so that they may enjoy a world of peace and plenty. We must instruct them in the ways of common decency or there wiles will be the end of the Republic and of us all.

Socrates 410 BC


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:laughing

The more things change, the more they stay the same :)

Stefan
 
Stirring thoughts and some good posts in reply to what I deem a good one to get it going.

I very much feel the sting of the descrimination/ generalizations that American Society lays at our tire warmers..

Things have changed over the course of my 4 decades of riding, but it is still out there in a big way.

I remember when if you rode a Harley chances were probably 50/50 that you took part in some criminal activity. Now your likely to be enjoying the road before returning to your patients, clients or customers.. That is a good thing for us. The more regular folks that enjoy something the more in enters main stream.

I remember when I was one of but a few stunter types.. there we know stoppies.. or high chairs or anything other than wheelies and so few could do them it was really not very high on the police radars and did not have a huge impact on the public perception.. Now that has somewhat reversed itself.. and we are if on a sport bike regardless of our costume.. ( :p) thought of as a potential law breaker by officers and the GP (general public).

I remember when only guys who could work on bikes would ride bikes.. you had to.. they broke down a lot more often and it was part of the culture to do so. Today a lot more take it to the shop and let them deal with it.. I am guilty of that as time has consumed me by my own lifestyle.

I see what BB said as truth.. but in the same way it has minimal effect on the GP. I see what Christian said as truth and again minimal impact.. but yeah we chip away and get some respect.

I see that even a MotoGP champion with outstanding American qualities has little affect as we are a NASCAR country.. not a moto country.

I see Europeans and other countries accept motorcycles as part of the general culture.. Sport, Travel, communting.. every day life..
It will take some time for the US to every approach that.

I see the good, the bad and the ugly in our sport and that is simply a reflection of humanity. We have it in so many activities that will never change.

Now.. there are a ton of good folks doing good things for others via the Moto community and all of that catches an eye here or there and affects a few here and there. We need alot more of that an the public awareness of who we are to every get the bad juju at so much of the GP has against us..

It is a slow march.. and the little things we do as individuals keep the march going, but.. we are walking a damn long road. Not sure there is a ending to it like a black motorcyclist running for President. :p

:smoking
 
I just figure on karma. If I'm courteous on the road, maybe a cager or two will pay it forward...

What goes around, comes around.
 
A great thread, Dion, and a great discussion by all. While I agree with Dion that BARF is mainly transparent to others outside of Bay Area's riding community, I agree with Budbandit that it does have an impact on overall situation.

Just think about it... a board with many thousand members, a good chunk of which lurk and read most of the stuff here... and the culture of this board already frowns upon unsafe riding, lack of gear, riding above your limits, using public roads as your personal race track, etc. etc. This board does help change the overall image, by changing the thought process of its members, gradually but surely.
 
As Pogo said:
" we has met the enemy, and he is us"

then on to Smokey the Bear:
"only YOU can prevent forest fires"


So, IF you ARE riding like a fucktard, please reign it in and be considerate to all others that SHARE the road/ parking lot/ sidewalk....it WILL make a difference. PLEASE take personnal responsibility for your actions, KNOW that the results of your fucktardedness may not land on you, but instead on one of your undeserving breathern.
 
circle jerk maybe, neccessary reminder-definitely !

(how much for the "happy ending" ?)

edit: in the grand scheme of human endeavor, what ISN'T a circle jerk ?
 
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XRsick50 said:

Think about what a group of 50 young men in tight leather at Starbucks looks like to the aging cougar in her mercedes, very inviting, unless she rides, is married to, or knows somebody who rides. Otherwise, it looks like a scene right out of one of those pron movies she rents from good vibes.

she's probably thinking that if she gets one of 'em drunk enough he won't notice that she's three times his age until the next morning just before he starts chewing his arm off.
 
XRsick50 said:

You are one rider as opposed to the thousands and thousands of riders who don't observe care when they ride. The bottom line is that the general public IS threatened by us, they DO NOT like us, they have NO CARE for our safety.

I'm with budbandit on this one, I think you're making something out of nothing. There are plenty of people who have family members who ride. I know for a fact my family and friends became a lot more observant of motorcycles when I got a bike. Before, they wouldn't even notice them, now they're seeing them at a distance, moving over to accomodate them, and later calling me to ask about the "red ninja" they saw on the road :laughing

I think your efforts are misdirected. Yes, a lot of riders are selfish and self-centered but that doesn't mean we should just wash our hands of the problem and go along our merry way. I don't understand what the point of your post is, to throw your hands in the air and cry, "The end is coming!" ? Not fight the current, just go along with it?

Maybe you've surrounded yourself with your cool supermoto elite and what happens to the rest of us sportbike assholes doesn't matter to you, but as a part of this community, I don't differentiate between who rides what, and I think it's our responsibility to help all people who need it.
 
In other news, a couple weeks ago, my roommate went for a ride, then I followed him about 10 minutes later. I came upon a car pulled over with the hood up, and two guys trying to stop a transmission fluid leak. I offered to go get them some tranny fluid, took off, and shortly came back with the bottles. Turns out, my roommate stopped 10 minutes before me and offered them his phone, and with me getting them free tranny fluid, those were two guys who thought Davis motorcyclists are awesome :p Maybe they'll remember me next time they look in the rearview and see someone filtering, and be courteous. :cool
 
XRsick50, I do agree.

My belief is that motorcycles will be made illegal in the next 20 years, or possibly non-insurable allowing only the wealthy to ride them on the street.

I also believe that we have been and are in the height of motorcycling history.

I disagree that people say, "look at that guy, he's gonna kill someone." I believe they say, "look at that guy, he's gonna kill himself".
 
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