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The outing of Hollywood elite as sexual predators continues...

frozenduc said:
Go ahead roast me everyone. What we want to forget in favour of the oh woe was me I've been violated x years later sensationalism dealio follows. NOBODY forced these women to boff the people they wanted to get in bed with but they did it, for an opportunist commercial financial fame/fortune basis for their own gain.

They're not stupid enough or innocent enough to believe what was to transpire at the time and now hide behind the coveted veil of omg I was violated. It's called the self restoring virgin mentality. Or is it simply the vindictive nature of women.

They could have just simply walked away.
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Tell us more about your experiences as a woman. I'm sure many are interested.
 
If you had read the stories that have been coming out, you'd realize most of them are examples where the woman could NOT have walked away. It just happened, with no warning.
 
click on the link to the usa today article at the bottom of post #571 for an idea of what these allegations are all about.

i often wonder about men whose perception of women as being manipulative and vindictive; it must be a reflection of their own experiences and the lack of exposure or inclination to meet decent people male and female who respect and trust each other and make each other strive to be better people.

why would they characterize people they don't even know with negative traits and assumed they did something wrong to deserve to be at the receiving end of sexual misconduct/assault.
 
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In that case they're not victims. Can either of us say that? I bet the answer is no. Could they given up on the fame and fortune goals and set their goals lower? Yes we all could.
 
frozenduc said:
In that case they're not victims. Can either of us say that? I bet the answer is no. Could they given up on the fame and fortune goals and set their goals lower? Yes we all could.
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You haven't really been following the whole subject, have you?

Put aside your prejudices and cherrypicking, then get back to us.
 
BrownDawg said:
Does anybody know if all these outings mean women are going to stop using sex to get what they want?

:)
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i'm going to take this question possibly more serious than it deserves. someone once said to me 'tell me the rules of the game and i will play it as well as anyone'. so the question is - what are the rules and who is making them? the point of this entire conversation is power. who holds it and how they wield it.

you imply that the fish baits the hook.
 

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littlebeast said:
i'm going to take this question possibly more serious than it deserves. someone once said to me 'tell me the rules of the game and i will play it as well as anyone'. so the question is - what are the rules and who is making them? the point of this entire conversation is power. who holds it and how they wield it.

you imply that the fish baits the hook.
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I think this hits the issue on the head and it's something I hadn't thought about. Most of these #metoo situations involve power. Typically, the powerful men in showbiz and otherwise have the power and use it to control the situation.

Now this power seems to be reversing and it is coming back to bite these people in the ass. And, as evidenced here, many men are afraid of this shift in power. It seems very similar to the reaction of many when Obama was elected. We gave power to a black guy and it seems to make some people very defensive and afraid.
 
"We are strengthened by due process. Just because someone is accused and was it one accusation? Is it two?” ---Nancy Pelosi.

That is one of the seats of power talking.

Context: she was referring to Conyers, accusers paid off courtesy of the taxpayer.
 
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Brokenlink said:
I think this hits the issue on the head and it's something I hadn't thought about. Most of these #metoo situations involve power. Typically, the powerful men in showbiz and otherwise have the power and use it to control the situation.

Now this power seems to be reversing and it is coming back to bite these people in the ass. And, as evidenced here, many men are afraid of this shift in power. It seems very similar to the reaction of many when Obama was elected. We gave power to a black guy and it seems to make some people very defensive and afraid.
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Perhaps everyone needs to sit down this winter and read Machiavelli's "THE PRINCE." I know that this book brought me some clarity and the means to deal with working in an all male environment back in the '70s.
 
ThumperX said:
Perhaps everyone needs to sit down this winter and read Machiavelli's "THE PRINCE." I know that this book brought me some clarity and the means to deal with working in an all male environment back in the '70s.
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+1,000,000.

Mrs. and Ms. and others refer back to it or often in any case.

(But just because a power structure is in place doesn't make it right.)
 
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ThumperX said:
Perhaps everyone needs to sit down this winter and read Machiavelli's "THE PRINCE." I know that this book brought me some clarity and the means to deal with working in an all male environment back in the '70s.
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It's free today(?) on kindle on amazon. :thumbup
 
littlebeast said:
i'm going to take this question possibly more serious than it deserves. someone once said to me 'tell me the rules of the game and i will play it as well as anyone'. so the question is - what are the rules and who is making them? the point of this entire conversation is power. who holds it and how they wield it.

you imply that the fish baits the hook.
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The rules have always been the strong will exploit the weak.

People have always traded body, time, skill, suffering etc They've done this under force, agreement, manipulation, coercion etc

This is at every level from internal dialogue, family, friends, neighborhood, workplace, government and so on.

We create laws to deal with this, but I don't think it is possible to eliminate it because it is the human condition. What we consider acceptable or equitable is different depending on the time in history and the culture of the person making the judgment.

ThumperX said:
Perhaps everyone needs to sit down this winter and read Machiavelli's "THE PRINCE." I know that this book brought me some clarity and the means to deal with working in an all male environment back in the '70s.
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Given that most of us agree, and the data shows, that men are more physically violent than women (across violent crimes, including sexual).....what is a reasonable expectation/acceptable level/rate of violence from males in our society?


I have generally worked in a female dominated industries, and I found it difficult to adjust to the indirect nature of attacks. It took them awhile to adjust to the fact that I would confront them aggressively when they did it. That is my experience.

A useful phrase is "If you do that again/say that again/don't leave me alone, you will be consequenced" Throws most people off immediately. Unusually phrasing and uncommon word.

Another, if you have your shit together at work. If someone threatens to "Tell on you" is an easy "Do it".

Maybe it is my male bias, but if I was a woman and a man engaged in continuing sexual misconduct that threatened my safety, family, finances after being asked to stop and nobody would help....he would get stabbed or dead.
 
Meter Man said:
The rules have always been the strong will exploit the weak.

People have always traded body, time, skill, suffering etc They've done this under force, agreement, manipulation, coercion etc

This is at every level from internal dialogue, family, friends, neighborhood, workplace, government and so on.

We create laws to deal with this, but I don't think it is possible to eliminate it because it is the human condition. What we consider acceptable or equitable is different depending on the time in history and the culture of the person making the judgment.
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I don't think that it's as much 'the human condition' as it is the nature of power and politics. Those in power will always try to influence politics to favor themselves and they will always have the means and subsequent successes in these endeavor's to enrich and protect themselves to greater and greater extent.

That is the nature of the powerful and those who pursue or are driven to accumulate or wield that power.

History has shown that the march towards absolute power is ultimately successful as is the eventual uprising of the people when the wielding of that power becomes too intolerable for the rest of the population. It has never been a question of if, it has only been a question of how long can that eventual condition be held off.
 
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