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Tiburon to record license of every car entering and leaving city.

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Tiburon to record every car coming and going

A novel anti-crime surveillance program that will record the license plate number of every car entering and leaving Tiburon should be up and running within six months, officials said Thursday.

The Town Council voted 4-0 late Wednesday - with Vice Mayor Miles Berger absent - to install six cameras that recognize license plate characters on Tiburon Boulevard and Paradise Drive. Those are the only two roads that feed into the Tiburon peninsula, which also includes the smaller city of Belvedere on its southwestern edge.

Tiburon will be the first community in the Bay Area, and perhaps the country, to line its borders with the cameras, which have drawn criticism from privacy rights advocates.

Plates will be compared to databases of stolen or wanted cars, with matches triggering an immediate alert to local officers. If detectives are investigating a crime, they will be able to search the records to try to find possible suspects.

"I think it makes the community safer," Police Chief Michael Cronin said. He said the town still needs to select a camera vendor and secure construction permits before installing the system.

Tiburon and Belvedere are affluent communities with low crime rates, and some residents at Wednesday's meeting said the cameras would help keep it that way.

"If it lowers the crime rate even a little bit, then it's a great idea," said Yami Anolik, a 64-year-old real estate investor whose husband, Al Anolik, spoke in favor of the cameras at the meeting.

She said she did not share the privacy concerns of some of her neighbors, explaining, "If you're driving on a public road, you gave up your privacy already. If you want to be private, stay at home."

William Rothman, a 72-year-old retired physician from Belvedere, spoke against the cameras, saying he had concerns that went beyond the "creeping invasion of our privacy rights."

He said he was concerned that detectives armed with a list of hundreds of cars that entered Tiburon around the time of a crime would profile suspects based on where they were from and what they drove.

He also worries that a stolen car alert could prompt a dangerous confrontation on busy Tiburon Boulevard. Noting the low crime rates in Tiburon and Belvedere, he said, "This is overkill. It's like going after a flea with a cannon."

Cronin said the license plate data will be kept for 30 days and then erased. It will not be available to the public. Officers can mine the data only in connection with crimes, Cronin said, and the program will keep a record of exactly what information police examine.

License plate readers have become a common police tool in the past several years. Agencies have primarily mounted the cameras on patrol cars, not at fixed locations, but that may be changing.

Launching the project is expected to cost between $137,000 and $197,000. Tiburon will spend $45,000 to $85,000, Town Manager Peggy Curran said, after grants and contributions from two other governments that could benefit - Belvedere and Marin County.
Good idea, bad idea or non-starter?

It doesn't seem like a bad idea, at least on the surface.

What happens if they start pulling over cars with expired registrations (alerted by the system) or how about vehicles whose insurance coverage has lapsed? Would you feel different about it?
 
:rofl

I wonder if it's due to the police chief's wife having an affair...
 
Cronin said the license plate data will be kept for 30 days and then erased. It will not be available to the public. Officers can mine the data only in connection with crimes, Cronin said, and the program will keep a record of exactly what information police examine.

I call BS x 4

Who watches the watchmen, in this case?
 
:rofl Busted.....again! :laughing
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I'm not even going to post their BS rationalization because it's so full of holes that you could drive a truck through it! :wow
 
why the Watchmen Watchers, of course!

next, you're gonna be asking me what the turtle's standing on! (Discworld ref for the less-than-geeks!)

I call BS x 4

Who watches the watchmen, in this case?
 
George Orwell was better at this shit than Nostradamus.

So one murder in a dozen years and everybody gets watched. Coming up on one hundred murders in certain East bay cities and they get?

Dam white folks get nervous if a hoopdee rides on thru. Bet motos get the stink eye too.
 
If on a moto, use some nylon lock nuts, remove your plate when entering Tiburon, they won't be able to record your plate.
 
She said she did not share the privacy concerns of some of her neighbors, explaining, "If you're driving on a public road, you gave up your privacy already. If you want to be private, stay at home."

That's when you ask her to empty her purse on the table and you start examining everything, and then ask to look at her cell phone and scroll through all of her contacts and ask her about every one of them.

... And then you call a female police officer over to give her a thorough body search. She's out in public, she obviously can't complain about her privacy being violated without just cause.
 
That probably lights up the red phone as a security breach and dispatches swat.
 
If on a moto, use some nylon lock nuts, remove your plate when entering Tiburon, they won't be able to record your plate.

Exactly, whats to keep the bad guy from just adding a piece of tape to the plate to change the # a little?
 
The community I live in already does this. We have a security station at the entrance, but no gates, just a bunch of cameras. I think it's stupid, they should have just built a stupid gate, it would have been safer.
 
Fuck that.

Do you pay for everything with cash?

Do you use a cell phone. If you do, do you leave it on all day?

Do you cross any of the bay area bridges ever?

Do you use online banking? ATMs?

Internet much?

Park your car in Berkeley? (I think SF too!)

The list of places where you're tracked, logged, and registered is endless...
 
George Orwell was better at this shit than Nostradamus.

So one murder in a dozen years and everybody gets watched. Coming up on one hundred murders in certain East bay cities and they get?

Dam white folks get nervous if a hoopdee rides on thru. Bet motos get the stink eye too.

Have you been to Tiburun, let alone Belvedere? These people are trying to figure out who comes in their town so they can just buy anyone who offends them for their sheriff to hang.

Do you pay for everything with cash?

Do you use a cell phone. If you do, do you leave it on all day?

Do you cross any of the bay area bridges ever?

Do you use online banking? ATMs?

Internet much?

Park your car in Berkeley? (I think SF too!)

The list of places where you're tracked, logged, and registered is endless...

I do a LOT more than the average bear to stay under the tracking radar.
 
:laughing

welcome to marin county....

they created a "marin city" cuz the fussy sausilitans didn't want "those people" to be associated with their city...

you can easily get the feeling that people in tiburon only want a certain type to visit their areas....

twin city cops make sure anyone from Marin City or those from across the Richmond bridge doesn't feel too welcome in their area...
 
I think it's scary. Big Brother has apparently taken up residence in Tiburon. Should I find myself having the drive the truck there, I'll be sure to leave the tailgate down. Between that and the trailer hitch, I might be ok...
 
None of you have any reason to even be in Tiburon anyway.
Who cares?

There are only 2 kinds of people driving into Tiburon...
The people who live there.
And the illegals/them cleaning their house, doing their laundry, taking care of their yard, et cetera.
The pool guy is legit.

:teeth
 
Another reason to have one of these 'novelty items'
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But still no reason to go to Tiburon.
 
No wonder so many people jump off the GG bridge. You get to the middle and realize both ends are unbearable and it's better to go over the side. :twofinger
 
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