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Ticketed for not yielding to a ped (sting op)

Congrats on getting off. Sure reads like ya got a free pass because the cop had to get back on the street- not on the merits of the event. But hey- whatever works!
 
SuperMike said:
:thumbup The system works.
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It works against the people by stealling our money. It works great that way.

BTW, most may think I've handed money over like crazy, not the case, 1 ticket during the past 16 years.

Just because I don't get raped doesn't make it ok for others to get raped.
 
What a horrible ending...for the thread atleast. Kudos to you OP, slipped through the cracks in the system.

I use crosswalks all the time. I wish I had a weapon just in case some douchbag decided that his errand was more important than my safety. Who needs Cops, I'd be happy as a vigilante.
 
I was almost rear ended the other day at a cross walk. Traffic was stopped in lane 2 to allow some pedestrians to pass, I was in lane 1 and also decided to stop. A second later a Jeep SUV swerves around me and stops in the suicide lane. At least she saw me at the last minute and had room to swerve, otherwise I would have been in some trouble.:wow
 
Congrats to the OP. I live between Geary and Fulton and I've seen these stings before and don't support them. On the other hand, I've had close calls with blind areas/pedestrians/cars and usually busses slowing for no apparent reasons and recognize these as about the biggest hazard to driving in the part of the city where I live.

But as a native, I feel like there's a lot of responsibility on the pedestrian, even in a crosswalk. You have to be careful. Have to. I think there are some exceptions, like in GG Park.
 
NorCalBusa said:
Congrats on getting off. Sure reads like ya got a free pass because the cop had to get back on the street- not on the merits of the event. But hey- whatever works!
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SubMOA said:
What a horrible ending...for the thread atleast. Kudos to you OP, slipped through the cracks in the system.
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The OP "got a free pass" because the state couldn't be bothered to take the time to put on a case. Had they done so, it sounds like they probably would have prevailed. If the state can't even do the little they are required to do to prove guilt in traffic court, why shouldn't the OP walk away free?
 
macadamizer said:
The OP "got a free pass" because the state couldn't be bothered to take the time to put on a case. Had they done so, it sounds like they probably would have prevailed. If the state can't even do the little they are required to do to prove guilt in traffic court, why shouldn't the OP walk away free?
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Nobody but the officer and the court clerks know why the officer was unable to attend/testify. The possibilities are vast. On one end of the scale the officer was unprepared/lost his notes/or realized it was a bad citation. On the other end of the scale he could have had a criminal court case at the same time which would take precedence over a traffic infraction/could be involved in a larger investigation/etc.

Whatever the reason, the OP got off. But hopefully in the long run will pay more attention when approaching crosswalks.

To the OP, I appreciate you sharing the whole situation with us. Others have undoubtedly learned something from this thread.
 
silversvs said:
Nobody but the officer and the court clerks know why the officer was unable to attend/testify. The possibilities are vast. On one end of the scale the officer was unprepared/lost his notes/or realized it was a bad citation. On the other end of the scale he could have had a criminal court case at the same time which would take precedence over a traffic infraction/could be involved in a larger investigation/etc.
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I don't disagree with any of this -- I was just making the point that the OP didn't "get off" on a technicality, or "get off" through some magical loophole -- he wasn't found guilty of an infraction because the state failed to meet its burden to prove him guilty. That's all. Guilt isn't automatic, or assumed, in traffic cases -- even if it often feels that way -- the state has to prove its case (or you have to plead guilty voluntarily) to get a win. I think all of the "man up" posters overlook this point sometimes...
 
Fair enough. Seemed like a cheap shot when I read it, but I see your point of view. Thanks for the explanation.
 
I support the "stings". Look how much education we have all received from that sting the OP was ticketed from. I will watch for Peds and def will not pass a car stopping for a crosswalk. They can run the speeding/ped stings all day...you only get a ticket if you fail.
 
nvp said:
They began calling role and I was the 3rd person called.... DISMISSED BITCHES!!!
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Good for you. :thumbup

You did invest quite a bit of time and thought on the issue, as well as stimulating BARF posters/readers to do the same.

Pedestrians win.:)

You win.:)

The system wins.:)

:ride
 
NorCalBusa said:
Congrats on getting off. Sure reads like ya got a free pass because the cop had to get back on the street- not on the merits of the event. But hey- whatever works!
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Yeah, as Silversvs states... "who knows what happened." It may very well have been that they deemed the intersection inherently unsafe, installed the traffic lights only 4 weeks later, and decided as a result, the sting citations were null and void. Maybe everyone who challenged their ticket got off... who knows.

I also had a pretty strong case prepared... I invested a lot of time in the preparation of evidence and analysis of the specific CVC for which I was cited. So again, who knows whether I would have won the case if it had been heard? Either way, I do feel it was "justice" that it was dismissed. I have had my share of tickets in my life (none at the moment - clean record) and not sure I would say that about too many others citations I have received.

Thanks again for everyone's feedback and debate.

Oh... and I AM more mindful of crosswalks as a result.
 
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I happened to notice from the pictures that there is a left turn lane here. I hate to play "what if", but what should he have done if the person changed into that lane while slowing down?

It just seems like anyone stopping for a left turn could actually be stopping for a pedestrian I can't see - but it seems like this would play hell on traffic flow if all lanes stopped when someone stopped for a left turn. I guess in this case you're just damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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