Traction Control? Nah. “You’re On Your Own”

[tuxumino]

this why I prefer a 2000 lbs early seventies RWD coup with a I4 or V6 putting out around 150 horses. If you want to go fast you'll have to work at it but in the twisties you can make a hypercar wonder why they can't shake some old piece of junk.

 

[ThinkFast]

Exactly - my old 911 is air cooled, 215 hp, 2800 lbs, and the flat six makes gobs of torque; not to mention the joyous howling of the motor when it spins up. No power steering, brakes, or nannies. 3 pedals and me. Bought for trackdays; keep for fun drives around norcal. It's among the last of the 911s that were truly sports cars, not GT monsters.

 

[littlebeast]

It’s been brushed on a bit already here in this thread, but what’s truly sickening about cars like this is that the majority of them will never ever be driven remotely close to the way they were intended.

In recent years, Porsche has especially leaned into catering to the “investor” buyer. Seems like every year now, the folks from Stuttgart are dazzling us with yet another limited special edition of the 911 turbo or GT3.

Oh what’s different about this one? It looks like the 30 other 911 models they have.

Well this is the one we’ve really been waiting for them to make all along. The Sport Classic is the only way to get a turbo with a manual transmission.

And what’s the sticker on that?

Well it’s about $50k over the regular turbo model (though a little less power), but you get some gold badges, some race number stickers on the door, and the manual transmission (they put in cheaper 911s)…but limited to only 1250 cars!

You going to track it? Looks like you got the carbon race bucket seats.

Oh god no. Wouldn’t want to ruin the resale value by doing that. And the resale is higher with those seats. Not as comfortable as the 18-ways, but you get all your money back and then some. I also ordered it with PTS paint to truly make it special. So I’ll only take it to a couple shows (cars&coffee), and then I’ll get into something else in a year or two. “I get bored of my cars fast.” I buy a new 911 every year plus I got a Taycan too so my dealer sells me the limited models at MSRP. I’ll be able to flip it for double what I paid for it.

So it’s just an investment piece then?

Well yeah. But look how cool it is at the Porsche show parked next to all the other 911s that look pretty much just like it. Mine stands out because of my PTS paint.

……..aight. Couldn’t you have just taken than $240k and dumped it into Nvidia a couple years ago and you’d have over a million bucks by now?

You just don’t get it man.

love that there’s collectors out there. bought howler from one (not a personal acquaintance). he needed space in his (very large) garage for a new toy, and let that one go at a steal to make room (turbo, manual, less than 500 miles on it). once i got hold of it, i did a shit ton of mods. proper beast now. the friend i mentioned (with 17 in his stable) claims first right to a standing offer to buy it from me - but the answer is the same for him as all the others who’ve made offers ‘not for sale’. at any price.

that said, although he’s a collector, he tracks most of his, even some of the rare historics he owns, which like him, is a bit on the insane side. he’s an absolute animal behind the wheel.

 

[TheRobSJ]

love that there’s collectors out there. bought howler from one (not a personal acquaintance). he needed space in his (very large) garage for a new toy, and let that one go at a steal to make room (turbo, manual, less than 500 miles on it). once i got hold of it, i did a shit ton of mods. proper beast now. the friend i mentioned (with 17 in his stable) claims first right to a standing offer to buy it from me - but the answer is the same for him as all the others who’ve made offers ‘not for sale’. at any price.

that said, although he’s a collector, he tracks most of his, even some of the rare historics he owns, which like him, is a bit on the insane side. he’s an absolute animal behind the wheel.

The owner of my dealership is one of the handful of people in the world who owns a Ferrari 250GTO. Paid an absolute bloody god damned fortune for it a number of years back. They don’t trade hands often, but they seem to be in the mid eight figures usually. And this crazy guy still puts the thing on the track from time to time.

Part of me is glad the car is still being taken out of the museum and used for what built to do, even if it is over 60 years old. And the other part is horrified that he puts it at risk, regardless of the value, since it’s very much an irreplaceable car.

But for the most part, these are the kind of collectors I like. Yeah they have more cars than they know what to do with. But just like Jay Leno, they have no intention of ever selling off a single vehicle in their collection and they take them out and drive them when they can.

The “collectors” I could do without are the ones like in my little scenario in my last post. The clout chasing “flipper” that gets a new GT3-RS, makes an appearance or two with it at the keeping up with the Jones car meets, then flips it for a tidy little profit. Then move onto another car that they flex with for a year. Rinse and repeat. All the while, the cars never get driven very much, and damn sure never see the track that they were made to run on.

 

[FXCLM5]

i dont get the idea with so much hp

its like my grom, i could pinnit everywhere i go, literally pinnit up my driveway into the garage

you cant pin a litrebike parking into the garbage

the amount of no i cant put the foot down like 98% of time i drive this car, defeats the purpose of ownign those cars no?

at least i took my performance bikes to the racetrack

 

[Climber]

The owner of my dealership is one of the handful of people in the world who owns a Ferrari 250GTO. Paid an absolute bloody god damned fortune for it a number of years back. They don’t trade hands often, but they seem to be in the mid eight figures usually. And this crazy guy still puts the thing on the track from time to time.

Part of me is glad the car is still being taken out of the museum and used for what built to do, even if it is over 60 years old. And the other part is horrified that he puts it at risk, regardless of the value, since it’s very much an irreplaceable car.

But for the most part, these are the kind of collectors I like. Yeah they have more cars than they know what to do with. But just like Jay Leno, they have no intention of ever selling off a single vehicle in their collection and they take them out and drive them when they can.

The “collectors” I could do without are the ones like in my little scenario in my last post. The clout chasing “flipper” that gets a new GT3-RS, makes an appearance or two with it at the keeping up with the Jones car meets, then flips it for a tidy little profit. Then move onto another car that they flex with for a year. Rinse and repeat. All the while, the cars never get driven very much, and damn sure never see the track that they were made to run on.

I'm with you. You either own a work of art that will never be used anywhere near the performance that they're capable of or you own a car with great performance that you use to the best of your ability. I know that some people are about owning things with little respect for what they really are. I'm not a fan of that, they get to show them off and bask in the fawning of the people that see it and the ownership of them, but they might as well be displaying shells without the incredible drivetrain and suspension.