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Vacaville PD: K9 Ground & Pound

I basically said the same thing, without addressing the punching directly. But I'm just a piece of shit cop that the dirty masses like to shit on. Every lay person thinks they're an expert.

No, you're a pretty good guy and probably a really good cop.

But when you always take the same side in a discussion, it's called bias. Not that you really have a choice. Every statement you make in public ( and here) can and will be used in a lawsuit if you are ever in one. I'd actually advise you to stop commenting on police threads outside of the LEO forum. It just creates division and difficulty for everyone.
 
No, you're a pretty good guy and probably a really good cop.

But when you always take the same side in a discussion, it's called bias. Not that you really have a choice. Every statement you make in public ( and here) can and will be used in a lawsuit if you are ever in one. I'd actually advise you to stop commenting on police threads outside of the LEO forum. It just creates division and difficulty for everyone.

Yeah, people like their echo chambers. I know.
 
You should probably leave this thread you’re digging a bigger hole for yourself backing up that cop that beat the shit out of his dog

Cops stick together forgot about that,you just lost 100 points In My book

Yeah, people like their echo chambers. I know.
 
That”echo chamber” shit works both ways. Defend “your own” at all times, regardless of evidence.

If he’ll beat a dog....
 
You should probably leave this thread you’re digging a bigger hole for yourself backing up that cop that beat the shit out of his dog

Cops stick together forgot about that,you just lost 100 points In My book

Your reading comprehension is not my problem.
 
Who punches a dog?

Is he from Philly? Because I couldn't image people punching horses until there was Philly...

You should probably leave this thread you’re digging a bigger hole for yourself backing up that cop that beat the shit out of his dog

Cops stick together forgot about that,you just lost 100 points In My book

Bro, you came in here talking shit and looking for a fight. :dunno
 
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Really
This is the reason people hate the police when something happens they all stick together ,to cover
The shit up,that’s cops for you ,

I just don’t Cunts beating dogs it
Makes me mad,Plus he’s a cop beating on his partner should he not be arrested for that shit
Then you have bojangle
Having his back

So yeah I’m kinda mad

Is he from Philly? Because I couldn't image people punching horses until there was Philly...



Bro, you came in here talking shit and looking for a fight. :dunno
 
I don't see where bo is supporting that k9 handler, but he still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not punching the dog is an acceptable method of discipline unless I missed it.
 
You should probably leave this thread you’re digging a bigger hole for yourself backing up that cop that beat the shit out of his dog

Cops stick together forgot about that,you just lost 100 points In My book

I'm curious, so what did the cops bust you for?
 
I basically said the same thing, without addressing the punching directly. But I'm just a piece of shit cop that the dirty masses like to shit on. Every lay person thinks they're an expert.

Not really, I asked that direct question about punching a dog being "normal" protocol and you didn't answer that simple question which may have led some to believe you were fine with that type of "discipline."

Not sure why you waited to clear that up but glad you did.

Should the cop be reprimanded in some way for violating protocol?
 
Not really, I asked that direct question about punching a dog being "normal" protocol and you didn't answer that simple question which may have led some to believe you were fine with that type of "discipline."

Not sure why you waited to clear that up but glad you did.

Should the cop be reprimanded in some way for violating protocol?

He waffled all over the place on that one.
 
He waffled all over the place on that one.

As you pointed out I think he has to pull punches when it comes to making a determination on a fellow LEO's "odd" looking actions to us mere civilians.
 
As you pointed out I think he has to pull punches when it comes to making a determination on a fellow LEO's "odd" looking actions to us mere civilians.

:thumbup

Yup. The masses just don't understand how the elite chosen have to act. We aren't smart enough or enlightened enough.
 
Should the cop be reprimanded in some way for violating protocol?

If that’s a general question for all of us...
I’d say that officer isn’t suitable to be a dog handler. Did the dog require discipline? Yep, the minute the officer had it on the ground dominance was established (IMO) the punch to the head and face show that the dog isn’t a partner but an appliance. This kind of partnership requires a bond based in trust, it will take a lot to restore any that might have already been there.
 
If that’s a general question for all of us...
I’d say that officer isn’t suitable to be a dog handler. Did the dog require discipline? Yep, the minute the officer had it on the ground dominance was established (IMO) the punch to the head and face show that the dog isn’t a partner but an appliance. This kind of partnership requires a bond based in trust, it will take a lot to restore any that might have already been there.

That dog, I suspect, won't ever be used again.

Unfortunately, the cop will.
 
That dog, I suspect, won't ever be used again.

Unfortunately, the cop will.

And that’s the tragedy. Dogs that bite get euthanized in real life, I don’t know about LEO life.
 
If that’s a general question for all of us...
I’d say that officer isn’t suitable to be a dog handler. Did the dog require discipline? Yep, the minute the officer had it on the ground dominance was established (IMO) the punch to the head and face show that the dog isn’t a partner but an appliance. This kind of partnership requires a bond based in trust, it will take a lot to restore any that might have already been there.

I think that's where most of us are coming from with a bit of apprehension that the Cop in question must have been aware of protocol and that he was violating it in a very aggressive manner.

Us civilians worry that a Cop who knowingly violates violence protocols might do so again in a non K9 situation.

But perhaps that is an unreasonable conclusion.
 
I think that's where most of us are coming from with a bit of apprehension that the Cop in question must have been aware of protocol and that he was violating it in a very aggressive manner.

Us civilians worry that a Cop who knowingly violates violence protocols might do so again in a non K9 situation.

But perhaps that is an unreasonable conclusion.

This, exactly this.
 
He waffled all over the place on that one.

Except that I never addressed that question. The only thing I stated in my original post about the officer and the dog was that there wasn't trust between them, and that they were new to the program, both in training, and were not out working the streets. The rest of my comment was just some of my background knowledge as a former handler. I was never a dog trainer.

There are enough members here that will bash on police, right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I don't necessarily feel the need to jump in on it, as many others have already posted their disapproval. That's not the same as me posting that what he did was correct and I fully support it. I just didn't feel the need to jump on the bandwagon. The bandwagon was pretty full. And it doesn't really matter what I say or don't say. I'm just a dude on a motorcycle forum, who also happens to help out with moderation. Other times in the past, and there have been quite a few other times, when I have jumped on the bandwagon, and condemned the behavior of some cop, it doesn't really matter. I will still have people constantly talk down at me and talk about blue lines and boot lickers and the like. So, whatever.

As far as other questions, I don't know how that officer was trained. I also don't have experience training a dog from the very beginning, as the one I had was already trained before he came to me. I do know that some schools of the past (and maybe present?) have employed pretty cruel training methods, but those methods are now considered to be less effective than positive reinforcement. However, training police dogs, especially ones trained to bite, or ones trained in bomb detection, must follow commands to a high level. And sometimes corrections needs to include negative reinforcement. That could including mounting and punching, but I doubt repeated punching would be an effective method.

That's about all I have to say.
 
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