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What's the f-ing big deal about LDS?

n10sive said:
They are easy targets for the stupid mis-informed, bigoted, small minded individuals of the Universal Christian Religion :laughing

:Popcorn
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Some what true, as this state is as equally he stupid mis-informed, bigoted, small minded individuals of the Universal people
 
The people in LDS are caring and decent people a far cry from any other religion I have ever encountered. Secretive, goofy, weird can be used to describe the theology, but that can encompass every belief system in the world.

All I will say
 
R1-Limited said:
The people in LDS are caring and decent people a far cry from any other religion I have ever encountered. Secretive, goofy, weird can be used to describe the theology, but that can encompass every belief system in the world.

All I will say
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Man it's crazy how I know decent and caring people who just exist and it to be good people vs. because their particular brand of crazy tells them to be.
 
R1-Limited said:
The people in LDS are caring and decent people a far cry from any other religion I have ever encountered. Secretive, goofy, weird can be used to describe the theology, but that can encompass every belief system in the world.

All I will say
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EXCEPT MINE, DAMMIT!!!
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Man it's crazy how I know decent and caring people who just exist and it to be good people vs. because their particular brand of crazy tells them to be.
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Uh, OK, ya know, what I find interesting are people such as yourself whom take other peoples belief systems so personal that you become so vitriol toward them, with such hate in your speech. Seriously why are you so angry, hateful and spiteful toward anyone who finds a way to make themselves a better person? A lot of people with such disdain and hate like how you protray yourself, end up like Paul of Tarsus.. How do you feel about AA using a Higher power to quit and stay sober?

Just saying
 
R1-Limited said:
Uh, OK, ya know, what I find interesting are people such as yourself whom take other peoples belief systems so personal that you become so vitriol toward them, with such hate in your speech. Seriously why are you so angry, hateful and spiteful toward anyone who finds a way to make themselves a better person? A lot of people with such disdain and hate like how you protray yourself, end up like Paul of Tarsus.. How do you feel about AA using a Higher power to quit and stay sober?

Just saying
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being religious has nothing to do whether you are a good person or not

and AA is a crock of shit (and doesnt work anyway) becaue of that higher power bs.

that being said most mormons I know are perfectly nice and caring people, who just all wear weird underwear
 
kevin 714 said:
very good book. really shines a light on the history
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I wouldn't take that as "history" or the complete story. Branch out a bit (I know you try and do a good job of that) and get ALL the history. Not just a biased source of it.
 
n10sive said:
I wouldn't take that as "history" or the complete story. Branch out a bit (I know you try and do a good job of that) and get ALL the history. Not just a biased source of it.
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I actually take nothing as history, history is not a science, its simply a point of view masqueraded as fact. I take that into everything hisotrical dopcument and book that I read.
 
R1-Limited said:
Uh, OK, ya know, what I find interesting are people such as yourself whom take other peoples belief systems so personal that you become so vitriol toward them, with such hate in your speech. Seriously why are you so angry, hateful and spiteful toward anyone who finds a way to make themselves a better person? A lot of people with such disdain and hate like how you protray yourself, end up like Paul of Tarsus.. How do you feel about AA using a Higher power to quit and stay sober?

Just saying
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It's a club I'm not in...I'm sure it's possible to get sober without having to believe in the supernatural.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
It's a club I'm not in...I'm sure it's possible to get sober without having to believe in the supernatural.
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That would be true to a point the club part and yes many people are sober with out AA, but the stats are there and the questions remains unaswered :wtf

kevin 714 said:
being religious has nothing to do whether you are a good person or not

and AA is a crock of shit (and doesnt work anyway) becaue of that higher power bs.

that being said most mormons I know are perfectly nice and caring people, who just all wear weird underwear
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Truly, Truly Sad :|
 
R1-Limited said:
That would be true to a point the club part and yes many people are sober with out AA, but the stats are there and the questions remains unaswered :wtf



Truly, Truly Sad :|
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So what do alcoholic atheists do?

Do the stats show how much better AA is than their equivalently sized and historically similar atheist competitors, or are the stats compared to "no organization at all"?
 
Whats sad? That I don't think religion makes you a good person?

Or that I don't think AA works?
 
n10sive said:
nice and fair write up IMO Nemo :thumbup

And FWIW, the Church itself spends no money on politics (it can't). But...the individual members can and have contributed to conservative causes (hey...they are a religion...what do you expect :laughing). One of the biggest admitted mistakes that the church made was, for the first time, issuing a statement over the pulpit. It created a HUGE internal backlash that cost them a large portion of their membership. You can't based your religion on "free agency" then punish someone for exercising such. I think the Church is becoming more moderate along those lines...but they still have rules many find hard to accept.

As stated earlier, there are large numbers that do not do much association outside of their congregation. Maybe it's their own mental weakness, but they feel protected and safe staying within the "flock." This is not unique to just Mormon's though.
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They are much more open to outsiders than say scientologits.

Met a few and they've all been really nice people. Nothing I found weird personally for a religion. Generally good humored and easy to deal with stand up people.
 
kevin 714 said:
I actually take nothing as history, history is not a science, its simply a point of view masqueraded as fact. I take that into everything hisotrical dopcument and book that I read.
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As my granddaddy told me "Paper can take on anything, I wipe my ass with it."
 
I agree with most of the sentiments here. While most of the religion seems a bit odd to me, every Mormon that I've ever met was really nice. And, every ex-Mormon woman I've ever dated was really freaky in bed.

My favorite LDS story comes from Steve Young. I heard him tell it during an interview on the radio. Someone asked him about his faith and how he handled it in an NFL locker room. He just said that he hung out with everyone until he could couldn't any more. In other words, when everyone went drinking or to the strip club, he just said, "Later, guys" and went home or back to the hotel room. There was no need for anyone to do anything different for or around him.

Then he went on to tell a story about Marc Wilson, who was Jim Plunkett's backup for the Raiders back in the 80's. Like Young, Wilson was also a graduate of BYU and a devout member of the LDS. Marc Wilson didn't swear. The team thought that there were certain situations where it was necessary for the quarterback to swear, so they appointed one of the equipment guys as Marc Wilson's official swearer. Any time Wilson did something bad on the field, someone would point at the equipment dude, and he would say, "Shit!!!" :laughing
 
corndog67 said:
Hey, that's my wife you're talking about! But you're right.
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+1

Once you get past the sweater-vests, the people are by and large great, but some of their actions in large groups (Prop 8, our equivalent down here, and generally, say, the way the state of Utah is run) bother me.

As a group, though, they want to be left alone but aren't quite willing to let others alone. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

That said, the people are great.
 
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