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Which Problem(s) Caused This Crash

Sabotage. It's those guys with the cameras throwing pixieslip dust into the corner so that they can get better footage. I hate those guys...........
 
Poor throttle control, bad line, tentative corner entry, but what looked to be the biggest factor to me was that he doesn't seem to know how to countersteer... looks like he actually turned in to the corner, and then tucked the front.
At least he wasn't hurt... poor bike. :(
 
steering into the turn doesn't help. Look at how much counter counter steering is going on....

PS - look at how he handles the turn before the crash. Anyone think he turned to soon? IMO that should be a nice sweeping turn instead of a quick turn with a straight.

PPS - gotta love his bike's horn!
 
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flying_hun said:
I don't even know what that means. :confused
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too much lean angle, not going fast enough. You can see his toes touch the deck, even though they are pretty high up on the pegs.

As you know, there's footage of that pass where riders are going faster with less lean angle.
 
Karbon said:
too much lean angle, not going fast enough. You can see his toes touch the deck, even though they are pretty high up on the pegs.
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But wouldn't that just result in turning in a tighter radius? Or, are you talking body position?

For my money the guy is a crap rider who is over riding his skills on an under-maintained bike. He uses up all the margin he has in showing off for the camera, then encounters a condition he didn't anticipate, resulting in an acute short term talent deficit.
 
flying_hun said:
But wouldn't that just result in turning in a tighter radius? Or, are you talking body position?

For my money the guy is a crap rider who is over riding his skills on an under-maintained bike. He uses up all the margin he has in showing off for the camera, then encounters a condition he didn't anticipate, resulting in an acute short term talent deficit.
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Must commit to memory... :rofl :rofl
 
flying_hun said:
But wouldn't that just result in turning in a tighter radius? Or, are you talking body position?

For my money the guy is a crap rider who is over riding his skills on an under-maintained bike. He uses up all the margin he has in showing off for the camera, then encounters a condition he didn't anticipate, resulting in an acute short term talent deficit.
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Yes it would. I'm also guessing the traction that allows for a tighter radius isn't there.

I certainly agree with you on the second part.
 
Looks to me that his front pressure is way low. It looks like as he leans is and get it on the side of the tire the tire flattens out and instantly wants to slide. Added to the fact that it is bald almost looks like a slick on the front :wtf
 
The guy look stiff as board on the straight, and he doesn't lean over an inch. And the erratic engine speed is like nails on a blackboard.
 
is this the same corner
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have you guys ever watched replay footage of racers losing the front and crashing? you'll always see that front tire turn into the inside...that's why its called tucking the front.... you're all giving him too much credit for not countersteering... lol
 
i cant believe no one has said this yet.... just about everyone in here is missing something big!!

you cant add lean angle AND add throttle!

who cares about the front tire, he was upright until he made that one terrible mistake.

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stangmx13 said:
i cant believe no one has said this yet.... just about everyone in here is missing something big!!

you cant add lean angle AND add throttle!

who cares about the front tire, he was upright until he made that one terrible mistake.

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Really? I've been doing it (lean it over farther and gas it) for close to 60 years, it's a staple in turning in the dirt.
 
flying_hun said:
Not sure what you see, but it looks to me as though there is a camber change there, and that the camber goes negative. That would explain a lot of the crashes we've seen in that riders experience a sudden change of lean angle compared to the road surface. Is that what you mean?
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Exactly! Together with the uphill off camber and the conditions (it does look a little moist out), I think contribute most to this accident.

I can't really tell if the turn is a bit of decreasing radius, but it kinda looks like the rider tried to double apex the turn as if it were. He took a high/low approach, road the center of the lane through the middle of the turn, and then tried to adjust at the exit where the front tipped in as it lost traction. Its hard to resist the temptation to bend it in deeper when negative camber catches you off guard at a higher than posted speed.

Cheers!
 
flying_hun said:
For my money the guy is a crap rider who is over riding his skills on an under-maintained bike. He uses up all the margin he has in showing off for the camera, then encounters a condition he didn't anticipate, resulting in an acute short term talent deficit.
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Yep, Yep, and Yep. And for everyone that see's it differenty....For Gods sake, don't come up to the Sierra. Flat landers on bikes are crashing all the time, when they discover they can't go around a mountain corner...with those nasty things like grade and camber changes and radius changes ..Oh My.
 
louemc said:
Really? I've been doing it (lean it over farther and gas it) for close to 60 years, it's a staple in turning in the dirt.
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do u argue just for the hell of it? do i really have to qualify my statements w/ "this only applies to street riding" when the rider clearly isnt in the dirt?
 
This looks familiar, wasn't it posted before?
 
rodr said:
This looks familiar, wasn't it posted before?
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I don't know, but many, many clips taken at this corner get posted.
 
stangmx13 said:
do u argue just for the hell of it? do i really have to qualify my statements w/ "this only applies to street riding" when the rider clearly isnt in the dirt?
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I do it on pavement as well. I'm not going to let you get away with a wrong statement...it's up to you, to not make them. :x
 
motopsyco59 said:
Exactly! Together with the uphill off camber and the conditions (it does look a little moist out), I think contribute most to this accident.

I can't really tell if the turn is a bit of decreasing radius, but it kinda looks like the rider tried to double apex the turn as if it were. He took a high/low approach, road the center of the lane through the middle of the turn, and then tried to adjust at the exit where the front tipped in as it lost traction. Its hard to resist the temptation to bend it in deeper when negative camber catches you off guard at a higher than posted speed.

Cheers!
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That corner opens up going in the direction that he's traveling (uphill, westbound). Some gas it a little too early, me thinks... plus, it becomes slightly off-camber right around where the guardrail ends. Add cameras and audience, bald tires, "moisture", mid-corner corrections, etc... :party
 
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