ctwo
Merely Rhetorical
Ahh, the Life isn't Fair lesson, learnt.
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Why doing (small) Youtube channel is bad for you
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S21FOLGORE
Active member
So, here’s what it’s like running small YouTube channel.
This is the screenshot of my latest video analytics, of my 2nd channel (15 subscribers as of this writing) YouTube creator studio.
Take a look at the graph of “impressions” (what it means is how many times YouTube algorithm showed this video in the recommenced video colum on the right side of the screen.
Screen Shot 2024-09-11 at 11.33.48 AM by T K, on Flickr
As you can see, it becomes flat at after 2 hours from the publishing.
Meaning YouTube stopped trying to show this video to the viewers.
So, this particular video on this particular channel is already dead.
If I leave it here, the way it is, this video doesn’t get anymore views.
This is a reality of running a really small channel.
Youtube algorithm will very quickly give up and abandon your video.
They would rather promote bigger channels video because their video gets more view time (which is, in the end, the most important thing to YouTube.)
I have a few options.
I can delete this video and upload on my main channel. (1.2K subscribers)
Most of the subscribers / regular viewers of my channel WILL NOT watch this video.
Out of 1.2k, probably only 20 or so people watch my video because they genuinely enjoyed my creation.
So, realistically, the video would get 36 (20 + 16) or so view counts before YouTube stops promoting this video.
(Those 20 or so who publicly expressed their feelings on the comment section, said they like my honesty, “based on real world experience “ style of video making, and attitude (openly shows my total contempt toward YouTube and big YouTubers). They will watch regardless the genre.)
Or, I can delete this video,
Split into two separate videos.
Turn first opening scene (one minute or so) as a “one minute short film”, upload on the 2nd channel (which is meant for micro short film) with different title and thumbnail.
(And, that was my original plan. I started this video as a sort of Taxi Driver spoof.)
The later part I can upload on the main channel.
The one minute short film is really difficult to get large number of audiences.
Even people who create really, REALLY high quality stuff get very low numbers of views (and subs).
So, in Amy case, anything I upload on my 2nd channel will suck, in terms of views and subs.
But, at least it would be “the right video in the right place” case.
The main channel is a mixed bags of everything.
It’s not going to grow.
(It is a miracle over a thousand of people actually subscribed, without me asking (NOT EVEN ONCE) to subscribe.)
Youtube algorithm stops promoting video after 24 hours (usually).
This is the screenshot of my latest video analytics, of my 2nd channel (15 subscribers as of this writing) YouTube creator studio.
Take a look at the graph of “impressions” (what it means is how many times YouTube algorithm showed this video in the recommenced video colum on the right side of the screen.
Screen Shot 2024-09-11 at 11.33.48 AM by T K, on FlickrAs you can see, it becomes flat at after 2 hours from the publishing.
Meaning YouTube stopped trying to show this video to the viewers.
So, this particular video on this particular channel is already dead.
If I leave it here, the way it is, this video doesn’t get anymore views.
This is a reality of running a really small channel.
Youtube algorithm will very quickly give up and abandon your video.
They would rather promote bigger channels video because their video gets more view time (which is, in the end, the most important thing to YouTube.)
I have a few options.
I can delete this video and upload on my main channel. (1.2K subscribers)
Most of the subscribers / regular viewers of my channel WILL NOT watch this video.
Out of 1.2k, probably only 20 or so people watch my video because they genuinely enjoyed my creation.
So, realistically, the video would get 36 (20 + 16) or so view counts before YouTube stops promoting this video.
(Those 20 or so who publicly expressed their feelings on the comment section, said they like my honesty, “based on real world experience “ style of video making, and attitude (openly shows my total contempt toward YouTube and big YouTubers). They will watch regardless the genre.)
Or, I can delete this video,
Split into two separate videos.
Turn first opening scene (one minute or so) as a “one minute short film”, upload on the 2nd channel (which is meant for micro short film) with different title and thumbnail.
(And, that was my original plan. I started this video as a sort of Taxi Driver spoof.)
The later part I can upload on the main channel.
The one minute short film is really difficult to get large number of audiences.
Even people who create really, REALLY high quality stuff get very low numbers of views (and subs).
So, in Amy case, anything I upload on my 2nd channel will suck, in terms of views and subs.
But, at least it would be “the right video in the right place” case.
The main channel is a mixed bags of everything.
It’s not going to grow.
(It is a miracle over a thousand of people actually subscribed, without me asking (NOT EVEN ONCE) to subscribe.)
Youtube algorithm stops promoting video after 24 hours (usually).
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ctwo
Merely Rhetorical
I think you don't understand the scale and concept of the playground you're mucking around in. Even a 1k subscriber channel is hardly a channel - that's like a kid's neighborhood lemonade stand.
Now, if I were to give advice on that, I'd say employ a more appealing spokesperson and actually pay for your own (targeted) promotions.
I suspect the most successful lemonade stand ever is from her:
FXCLM5
bombaclaud
for your track bikeop you gotta start from somewhere, you doing good job
just keep at it
explore snappychat tiky tok and ig
well i just found out about my coworker's wife, she started posting up how to diy salads in covid on tiky tok
its gonna blow your mind, when i saw her stats i had to tell coworkers that her viewership on tikytok > ig/youtube/facebook/everything else combined, and that tiky tok facing the bann in usa just sets it as the #1 social platform at the moment, she got like millions of followers vs like 1-300k on the other platforms, add them all up and I was just like, holy crap tikytok > every other social media platform COMBINED
just keep at it
explore snappychat tiky tok and ig
well i just found out about my coworker's wife, she started posting up how to diy salads in covid on tiky tok
its gonna blow your mind, when i saw her stats i had to tell coworkers that her viewership on tikytok > ig/youtube/facebook/everything else combined, and that tiky tok facing the bann in usa just sets it as the #1 social platform at the moment, she got like millions of followers vs like 1-300k on the other platforms, add them all up and I was just like, holy crap tikytok > every other social media platform COMBINED
S21FOLGORE
Active member
Thanks for taking your time to reply...however...I think you misunderstood me...
I DON'T want to be YouTuber.
I DON'T want to make money out from YouTube.
I don't need my channels to grow.
(I said this before, I have never asked to "click like and subscribe", NOT EVEN ONCE. And I never will.)
I hate those who promote useless junk on YouTube.
I hate those who spread wrong info on YouTube.
And above all, I HATE YouTube's hypocrisy.
(That's why every once in a while I upload controversial thumbnail pictures, just to provoke YouTube algorithm.
I'm not braking their rules, though.)
Yes, I have been posting videos on YouTube for 15 years... just because it's free.
If I have to pay, I'll ditch everything right away.
ctwo
Merely Rhetorical
You've put a lot of effort into presenting complaints about YouTube as a content creator. None of those complaints seem valid to me, but why bother if you don't want to engage there? There are other free hosting platforms you can use.
You've presented complaints about YouTube as a content consumer. I think your experience is a product of your browsing behaviors and an unreasonable expectation and sensitivity to the tactics the platform implements to achieve its primary objective.
You've presented complaints about YouTube as a content consumer. I think your experience is a product of your browsing behaviors and an unreasonable expectation and sensitivity to the tactics the platform implements to achieve its primary objective.
S21FOLGORE
Active member
Thanks for the kind words.
I changed the thumbnail pic, as well as the title.
NOT a little tweak. Going totally different direction.
Both my channels are eligible for "Thumbnail A-B test".
But I found that even though I set up multiple images for the test, sometimes YouTube actually doesn't do the test.
(Channel too small, video view counts too low, not worth running a test, I guess.)
This video was such a case.
So instead of relaying YouTube's system, I decided to do my own test.
From this one,...
Youtube_thumb_1.2 by T K, on Flickr... to this one...
Youtube_thumb_2 by T K, on FlickrThe title was changed from
"The best fanny pack for Fuji X100V"
to
"Taxi Driver"
To me, the first 60 seconds of this video is the most important part.
And, I don't say so, YouTube algorithm will not understand the link between this video and Taxi Driver.
And that's the whole point.
greenmonster
Well-known member
I’m confused
You don’t want to be a YouTuber
You don’t want your channels to grow and you aren’t seeking monitization.
Maybe I need to re-read this thread but what DO you want?
You don’t want to be a YouTuber
You don’t want your channels to grow and you aren’t seeking monitization.
Maybe I need to re-read this thread but what DO you want?
FXCLM5
bombaclaud
He is just speaking out about the nuances of utube algorithm and how it is not fair
I find it interesting cuz I've told myself thousands of times if I didn't have a reg day job, I could make it on utubes, well here is some real life data
I find it interesting cuz I've told myself thousands of times if I didn't have a reg day job, I could make it on utubes, well here is some real life data
S21FOLGORE
Active member
Here are some GOOD examples of my Youtube videos.
One
Just recently someone left a “Thank you for posting this” comment.
The first comment after 4years since its posted.
I posted quite a bit of these videos back then.
Partly because Ducati’s service manual was incorrect here and there.
I posted “How to change coolant” video specifically for that reason.
(If someone tries to do the coolant change on S4R and if it happens to be his first time experience, it is VERY possible that the bike doesn’t have enough coolant in the system after the job is completed. And if he goes out for test ride, it is VERY possible the bike gets overheated.)
I like making this kind of videos, sharing the information.
I don't need to make money out of something like this.
And who cares about view counts / hours?
As long as YouTube/Google doesn't try to HIDE it, keep it easy to find (for those who are searching the info), I have no complain.
One
Just recently someone left a “Thank you for posting this” comment.
The first comment after 4years since its posted.
I posted quite a bit of these videos back then.
Partly because Ducati’s service manual was incorrect here and there.
I posted “How to change coolant” video specifically for that reason.
(If someone tries to do the coolant change on S4R and if it happens to be his first time experience, it is VERY possible that the bike doesn’t have enough coolant in the system after the job is completed. And if he goes out for test ride, it is VERY possible the bike gets overheated.)
I like making this kind of videos, sharing the information.
I don't need to make money out of something like this.
And who cares about view counts / hours?
As long as YouTube/Google doesn't try to HIDE it, keep it easy to find (for those who are searching the info), I have no complain.
S21FOLGORE
Active member
So, I've found out who's giving me false copyright claim illegally.
That company is, Artlist.
Yeah, one of the biggest music, sound effect provider in the business.
I get my music from Audiio, which is a much smaller business, than Artlist or epidemic sound, but still a competitor to Artlist, in a sense.
(For the record, I use bunch of other "free" service for sound effect, for the kind of sound I cannot obtain myself.
For example, I have probably 6 or 7 sound effect of "1911 .45ACP fired" file. Shot in close distance indoor, shot in close distance outdoor, shot in long distance outdoor open field, shot in mid distance open filed, shot in mid distance near buildings...)
Anyway, I filed dispute claim by myself.
They (Artlist) have 30days to respond.
If they don't, YouTube automatically take down "copyright claim".
I also posted a comment on this video.
Let's see if Youtube will delete this comment or leave it there.
@MonsterS4R996 is me.
That company is, Artlist.
Yeah, one of the biggest music, sound effect provider in the business.
I get my music from Audiio, which is a much smaller business, than Artlist or epidemic sound, but still a competitor to Artlist, in a sense.
(For the record, I use bunch of other "free" service for sound effect, for the kind of sound I cannot obtain myself.
For example, I have probably 6 or 7 sound effect of "1911 .45ACP fired" file. Shot in close distance indoor, shot in close distance outdoor, shot in long distance outdoor open field, shot in mid distance open filed, shot in mid distance near buildings...)
Anyway, I filed dispute claim by myself.
They (Artlist) have 30days to respond.
If they don't, YouTube automatically take down "copyright claim".
I also posted a comment on this video.
Let's see if Youtube will delete this comment or leave it there.
@MonsterS4R996 is me.
S21FOLGORE
Active member
I (literally) just got back from work.
And I got notification from Youtube, Joseph Martin (the creator of that video in the post above) replied to my comment.
So I left a reply, explained what they have been doing, as objectively as possible.
Glad I filed dispute claim (without doing so, I wouldn't have found out who has been doing this).
Glad I do YouTube just for fun. (People who are relying on YouTube income would be too afraid to do what I just started. I don't care if I loose YouTube account.)
" You think I'm a hero? I am not a hero. I'm a drifter with nothing to lose."-Jack Reacher (2012)-
My comment is at the top right now. So, most everyone who watch this video would see this comment, too.
And I got notification from Youtube, Joseph Martin (the creator of that video in the post above) replied to my comment.
So I left a reply, explained what they have been doing, as objectively as possible.
Glad I filed dispute claim (without doing so, I wouldn't have found out who has been doing this).
Glad I do YouTube just for fun. (People who are relying on YouTube income would be too afraid to do what I just started. I don't care if I loose YouTube account.)
" You think I'm a hero? I am not a hero. I'm a drifter with nothing to lose."-Jack Reacher (2012)-
My comment is at the top right now. So, most everyone who watch this video would see this comment, too.
S21FOLGORE
Active member
Pro Sushi chef reacts to rude comment on YouTube video
(Am I cheating in “towel cut” demo?)
“(You) talk the talk, do you walk the walk?” -Animal Mother, in Full Metal Jacket (1987 Stanley Kubrick)-
Link to the video about the "comment"
Even though his comment was the newest one, it was pushed down way below.
I didn’t do it, YouTube did it. Don’t know why.
Some people have got really wrong idea about YouTube comment section.
Just because we are not talking to each other face to face, just because we are communicating with someone we have never met (and probably never will) in the flesh, doesn't mean you can forget or ignore the manners.
This commenter clearly doesn't understand it.
As the title says, simple video.
No music at all = No false copyright claim bullshit
(Am I cheating in “towel cut” demo?)
“(You) talk the talk, do you walk the walk?” -Animal Mother, in Full Metal Jacket (1987 Stanley Kubrick)-
Link to the video about the "comment"
Even though his comment was the newest one, it was pushed down way below.
I didn’t do it, YouTube did it. Don’t know why.
Some people have got really wrong idea about YouTube comment section.
Just because we are not talking to each other face to face, just because we are communicating with someone we have never met (and probably never will) in the flesh, doesn't mean you can forget or ignore the manners.
This commenter clearly doesn't understand it.
As the title says, simple video.
No music at all = No false copyright claim bullshit