hophead
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well yeah and the beauty is in california you are not really wasting your vote. for instance i voted for nader and not gore vs. bush. i don't feel i thrw my vote away as california did not support bush anyway.
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Why I refuse to vote for Barak Obama
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well yeah and the beauty is in california you are not really wasting your vote. for instance i voted for nader and not gore vs. bush. i don't feel i thrw my vote away as california did not support bush anyway.
tuxumino
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I'd vote for an exteme leftist, but there has never been one running for president in this country ever.
This elections seems to be a choice between having abortions or having guns and really nothing else.
This elections seems to be a choice between having abortions or having guns and really nothing else.
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Of the three points the author states, none would be deal breakers for me, and I'd also say they're overblown.
I disagree with the drone war but to say all the stress in the region is our doing ignores the circumstances and ignorantly implies people would otherwise feel safe and secure.
Arguing the citizenship rights of Anwar alawaki represents a danger to us all is simly rediculously IMO
We had minor involvement in Libya congruent with past executive branch actions and NOTHING near what was done during the Bush Admin
That said, I didn't vote for Obama last election and I doubt he'll get my vote this time.
I disagree with the drone war but to say all the stress in the region is our doing ignores the circumstances and ignorantly implies people would otherwise feel safe and secure.
Arguing the citizenship rights of Anwar alawaki represents a danger to us all is simly rediculously IMO
We had minor involvement in Libya congruent with past executive branch actions and NOTHING near what was done during the Bush Admin
That said, I didn't vote for Obama last election and I doubt he'll get my vote this time.
tzrider
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Not yet.
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Charles R
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In 1996, the presidency of the USA was decided by just 49.1% of the citizens who could have voted. ( http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html)
The percentages for the midterm elections, where the members of congress (in my opinion, the real source of the BS) are worse! The leaders of our country are chosen by about 1/3 the populace.
So seriously... think of the true voting power of the apathetic. It's sad really. How could a government "of the people" work when 2/3rd's of it's people never speak?
The most important thing you could do, is help people understand that. And then vote for someone YOU would want to represent YOU.
Ratters
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I will not misspell the name of the President of the United States
I will not misspell the name of the President of the United States
I will not misspell the name of the President of the United States
I will not misspell the name of the President of the United States
I will not misspell the name of the President of the United States
Maybe that's why my write in votes never win, I've misspelled them all.
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Yes to this.
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We should use 'instant run-off' voting.
You vote for your first choice (say Green) and also your second choice (R/D)
In the event your first choice loses, your second choice receives your vote.
Third parties get their electorate's true vote without voters risking a 'wasted vote' only to watch their preferred mainstream candidate lose by a hair.
What's the downside?
You vote for your first choice (say Green) and also your second choice (R/D)
In the event your first choice loses, your second choice receives your vote.
Third parties get their electorate's true vote without voters risking a 'wasted vote' only to watch their preferred mainstream candidate lose by a hair.
What's the downside?
GiorgioFurioso
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I can't think of a thing. Because if we did that, then the will of the people would actually be manifested!
And I'm sure all the powers-that-be would be totally fine with that. I can't imagine why we haven't done it sooner.
Hooli
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Vote geek in 2012. 
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FTFY.
Well, yeah, there's that.If it's any consolation, I heard him say that shortly after he was elected Governor of Minnesota, before he'd decided to head South of the border.
Agreed. After reading the article twice, I decided it wasn't good enough to share to counteract all my Obamabot and Romneytard friends on fb.
High-Side
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My father used to say "Life is like a shit sandwich - the more bread you got the less shit you have to eat".
Does that mean you eat the shit sandwich with the most bread?
Archimedes
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The latter is definitely true and the only reason he's sitting in the White House. The former is definitely not true unless you consider policies he inherited and had little choice but to continue for political expedience being a centrist and a righty. At his core, Obama and his policies are very left of center.
I'm an independent who has voted Democrat probably 85 percent of the time and Republican 15 percent of the time. The only things I'm conservative on are crime and punishment and personal fiscal responsibility. Very liberal on other things and very centrist in terms of seeing both sides of the argument. The biggest thing I notice about politics these days is that, while the right knows they're right of center, the left is delusional and thinks they're in the center, rather than on the left where they really are. IMO bias in the mainstream press is the reason for this, rather than the reality of the views of our populace. The right had this warped perspective for a long time in the 80s. Now the left is having their turn.
Obama is a decent guy, but the only reason he's sitting in the White House is because the Republicans have lost their way and the Dems have learned well how to run a campaign and control the message. I split my vote last time by not voting, because I didn't think either candidate deserved to be our President. I'm in a similar situation this time, though i think Mitt and Ryan is a somewhat better ticket than the train wreck that was McCain/Palin and, IMO, the only thing we should be worried about for the next 10 years is getting this economy back on track. And that's not something I think the Democratic policies are going to lead to in any meaningful way.
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rodr
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I didn't vote for him in '08. He voted to renew the PATRIOT act.
Most of the Patriot Act was and is permanent law. The part that requires extension concerns roving wiretaps and searching records. It was voted for 72-23 in the Senate and 250-153 in the House. I'm pretty sure a Republican President would also have approved it.
Reference.
Personally I would rather have seen Obama veto it, but as a politician he chose to go along with the will of Congress and with the majority of the American people.
The only way you're gonna fix that is by changing public opinion. Throwing away your vote on a no-chance candidate is just dumb.
tzrider
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Rodr, I think Cootz was referring to Obama's vote as a senator. She couldn't have made her 2008 voting selection on an extension Obama signed as President.
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That might be a bit true in a swing state, but here in the great state of California, where there is 0% chance of the Dems losing, vote your conscience.