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Why the Vaping hate?

Re-Read the thread, people have misconceptions about the product and there is the "close to real cigarette look". Most complaints are about odor and it being annoying. Then people throw in "facts" about the toxicity of vaping. No one really has any facts and the few studies out there show very little, as most are biased one way or the other. Fact is the number one ingredient in vaping fluid is propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin, both food based ingredients that we consume every day, all day.

I feel the same about cigarette smoke as I do vaping. There are much worse pollutants in our air that we don't even smell or realize. Sit in traffic everyday and you are probably prone to dying from exhaust fumes and the toxic chemicals that they release. You'd probably be better off in a bar full of vapers vs traffic.

Funny if I could ban everything that was bothersome or annoying, what a world we would live in. Should I have to smell your Fajitas that simmer when you're eating next to me, smell your BO, smell someones farts on a plane, etc. Slippery slope mentality.
 
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I vape at home and at my desk. No one can smell it nor do they complain. They're all pretty much just happy that I'm not smoking.

That said, if there was someone allergic like Kelly around I'd take it outside. I'm also aware of the little light and "smoke" so I don't use it in public places out of courtesy to others.
 
Kurosaki said:
My beef with vaping is that it's attracted kids to start smoking.

It's intention was to be a way to help smokers quit, or at least lessen the impacts of smoking, and also cut down on 2nd hand smoke, was it not?

Now it's a cool thing to do for kids that likely never considered smoking cigarettes anymore.

In a time when smoking finally stopped being a cool thing to do, they found a way to make smoking cool again.
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probably my biggest beef too. they don't make them look like light sabers or have cool LED lights for nothing.

I quit cigs and don't wish to try vaping because I feel like it'd be a way for me to get back into cigs, which I really don't want. I personally prefer (other people using) them over cigarettes though, as they leave very little solid waste (i.e. butts).

But I've yet to meet a person who's given up cigarettes simply by aerosolizing their way out of the habit. I happen to have quite a few friends who aerosolize... and also smoke now.

why not start by aerosolizing outside, and when (if) the studies show they are safe, then bring them inside? why start by claiming "they're not proven to be unsafe!" and bring them inside to cause others to make that obvious connection between them and the hated cigs?
 
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I don't understand the need to rip a vape as if it was a bong or something. c'mon now. Just drag on it like a regular cigarette.
 
Normal vapor doesn't have any carcinogens in it nor is it tobacco-based.

It's simply vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and food flavoring. Some people have synthetic nicotine added as well.

Unless one has some sort of allergy to the glycerin or glycol, then there should be no issues.

I quit smoking years ago and switched to vaping. I can run for over an hour at a solid pace and don't run out of breath.
 
corpsedub said:
seems to be more that people are annoyed than anything. seems like those same people spread fear uncertainty and disbelief about products they know absolutely nothing about. OMG THE TOXINS..

it is ok to be disturbed by others ill manors, but please stop the bullshit. we get it, you dont like inconsiderate people. you probably do things that piss other people off too. just how it is.

edit: here is a list of studies. feel free to read them and make up your own mind.

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talk about some people being selfish.. Vapping and claiming it's GOT to be harmless
 
mrzuzzo said:
Normal vapor doesn't have any carcinogens in it nor is it tobacco-based.

It's simply vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and food flavoring. Some people have synthetic nicotine added as well.

Unless one has some sort of allergy to the glycerin or glycol, then there should be no issues.

I quit smoking years ago and switched to vaping. I can run for over an hour at a solid pace and don't run out of breath.
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It would be interesting what happens to their chemical compounds when you heat them up in the same fashion as an esig. But to touch on that those are not the only "ingredients" in the juice.
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
talk about some people being selfish.. Vapping and claiming it's GOT to be harmless
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yea, thats EXACTLY what i did there broheems. infact, in my post that you quoted, i even went to the lengths to say that i LOVE to vape in public places whilst blowing huge clouds on the children and the elderly. its like ingesting liquid sunshine! furthermore, you grow a huge penis and you live forever! dont forget, you also see visions within the vapor cloud. that means you can win the lottery and stuff.. if you need me, i'll be on my yacht in Monaco ok?

i think we all know its not black and white. but its not a death cloud that when you inhale just a few microns you magically turn into a ball of cancer. perhaps you can go invest in some kinoki foot pads to rid yourself of the toxins.

in the meanwhile, i'll enjoy my vape, without spewing my Chernobyl cancer all over(like i, and many, have always done).
 
sidewazzz said:
It would be interesting what happens to their chemical compounds when you heat them up in the same fashion as an esig. But to touch on that those are not the only "ingredients" in the juice.
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Are you sure? I've mixed myself and I regularly purchase juice and those are the only ingredients.

There is even organic juice which you can buy.
 
mrzuzzo said:
Are you sure? I've mixed myself and I regularly purchase juice and those are the only ingredients.

There is even organic juice which you can buy.
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I mix my own too, but as the vaping industry progresses, there are many juice manufacturers that are putting extra additives in their juice to make them more appealing, such as food coloring. Take Unicorn Milk for example:

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Turns out the manufacturer was adding white food coloring which contained titanium dioxide.

Titanium dioxide: "Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance may be toxic to lungs, upper respiratory tract. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage."

This is one of the reasons why I made my own juice, aside from the cost being <10% of brand name juice, I controlled what I put in the juice.
 
what is the big deal enjoying your aerosol outside? sounds like this thread should be renamed "why all the outdoor aerosolizing hate?"
 
More people with oral fixations... what could possibly go wrong with that ?
 
Bronto said:
Corpsedub's link


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Lets put it this way... people who smoke thought for the longest time there was no harm in smoking and were told year after year it was "safe". Today those people are dead, dieing or talking about how harmless e-sigs are.
 
sidewazzz said:
Lets put it this way... people who smoke thought for the longest time there was no harm in smoking and were told year after year it was "safe". Today those people are dead, dieing or talking about how harmless e-sigs are.
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^ This. As a smoker+vaper I always try to err on the side of caution since I haven't read enough non-biased science that abso-fucking-lutely guarantees that my habits aren't harmful to bystanders.
 
ctrvl said:
^ This. As a smoker+vaper I always try to err on the side of caution since I haven't read enough non-biased science that abso-fucking-lutely guarantees that my habits aren't harmful to bystanders.
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Same here, I smoke and vape. To ignore the potential dangers of inhaling vaporized liquid is ignorant. I agree that they are a better and safer alternative to cigarettes, but there aren't enough studies to determine the long term effects of vaping. That's why when my son was born, I no longer vaped inside my own home (matter of fact, my vape has been collecting dust since he was born).
 
Big Tobacco companies are very busy making the case against E-Cigs. Their lobbyists persuading lawmakers to pass regulations on E-Cigs. Local through National Governments are hooked on annual revenue derived from Tobacco sales. They don't want some upstart to ruin the gravy train.

People who defend e-cigs do so cause it's healthy alternative to smoking. They see no second hand harmful exposure to the public. A win win situation.
They see irrational laws being made by prejudicial lawmakers and public opinion.

Smokers are like the last group of acceptable discrimination against by society. Cause Apples and Oranges lets put Vapors in this group. Fascist
 
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