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Xr650r difficulty starting on a cold night

Ask him to take it back since he sold it in "good" condition. Ebay will help you get your money back. Did that a few times when the seller tried to offload his trash on eBay and misrepresented it in the description.

I hope so I never returned anything on eBay in the last 10 years of using it. Especially buying used parts for the hyper back then never had an issue what so ever. The guy doesn’t take returns and states that I snapped the needle jet when I’m rebuilding it. I walked him through the one minute step it took me to figure out the whole things junk and I’m not gonna spend more money to extract the snapped needle jet in there. Let’s see what eBay does haha. Thanks for the heads up! Hopefully they give me my money back. Gonna buy a new tm40 carb and not cheap out with these “good condition” carbs that just needs a rebuild.
 
... but I still have to go to the hardware store and get a spark plug socket...
I don't know about the 650R, but the 650L needs a special skinny socket to get down into the spark plug. Most standard spark plug wrenches are too thick to get in there. Double-check before you buy a wrench for it.
 
I don't know about the 650R, but the 650L needs a special skinny socket to get down into the spark plug. Most standard spark plug wrenches are too thick to get in there. Double-check before you buy a wrench for it.

I just double checked thanks for the heads up!
 
OP -

No matter what carb you have, it will require tuning. Some are easier than others, but it will still take some tuning. Large changes in temperature, weather, or altitude will also take some tuning. So before you consider "upgrading" the carb, keep that in mind. I can say from first hand experience the stock oem carb on the XR650R can be made to work properly. I am not saying other carbs arent good, just that the oem can work as designed.

One of the reasons I asked some of the questions I did in my previous post is to get an idea and clues to your current jetting.

In the middle of day when its warmest outside and with a cold engine that has been sitting, does it require any choke to start? If so how much. 1/4, 1/2, full. If it requires full choke when its warm outside, your pilot or fuel screw setting might be too lean at night when its 30 degrees colder.

How many turns out your fuel screw is will also be a clue to your pilot jet. If its all the way out, your pilot may be too small and the bike is lean even with full choke. If its only out 3/4 a turn, it may be on the richer side and you may need a smaller pilot and the the bike is too rich with full choke at night.

No one can help until you can share these with us. :thumbup

This is how I adjust a fuel screw on a 4t thumper. Bike needs to be fully warmed up to adjust the fuel screw, like ridden for 10-15 minutes. A few minutes idling is rarely enough. I don't like to adjust to a stumble and back off, I like to adjust to the highest idle and back off.

After the bike is fully warmed up, lower the idle with the idle adjustment screw until its barely running... lowest idle possible.

Turn the fuel screw in until the idles drops and or dies. If it doesn't when turning in, your pilot is too large and the bike too rich.

Next start turning your fuel screw out slowly until the idle increases. Continue turning out until the idle reaches it highest point (not until it stumbles as that is generally too rich.) Then back in 1/4 turn. Make a note of how many turns out from slightly seated it is.

If its more than three turns, you pilot might be too small, ie lean. Less than 3/4 turn, too large ie rich.

You can't do this properly with a high idle screw setting. To properly do this, its needs be barely running... you may even need to blip the throttle occasionally. Adjust the idle screw back to your preferred setting after adjusting the fuel screw.

The choke mechanism is pretty simple. In most carbs its merely a butterfly constricting air thereby enrichening the mixture (a few have a separate circuit controlled by a needle valve.) Easy to check its functionality when you pull the carb to verify what jets you have in the bike.

Why you have the carb out, may as well clean the jets. Soak overnight and put guitar string or something similar through the pilot to ensure its clear and clean if there is any question.

If the carb is functioning and tuned correctly and its still not starting when cold, then its time to look at other items like an air leak, valves, or even technique. Good luck:thumbup

It finally stopped raining today down in SoCal for me to take the bike out tonight. It spudders and the rpm drops real low like it’s about to die at 1/2 turn out any further it just dies. Then I turned it out about 1.75 turns from there is when it gets to the highest. Then I back it down 1/4 so it’s about 2 turns out from all the way in. Im gonna try to see how it starts later tonight when I get off work. So it’s not jetted too rich or too lean as it seems as of right now. It’s running a 68s and 178 needle in the middle slot. . Thanks for the suggestion again.
 
It finally stopped raining today down in SoCal for me to take the bike out tonight. It spudders and the rpm drops real low like it’s about to die at 1/2 turn out any further it just dies. Then I turned it out about 1.75 turns from there is when it gets to the highest. Then I back it down 1/4 so it’s about 2 turns out from all the way in. Im gonna try to see how it starts later tonight when I get off work. So it’s not jetted too rich or too lean as it seems as of right now. It’s running a 68s and 178 needle in the middle slot. . Thanks for the suggestion again.

Id trust Oaklandf4i omfor sure on this one.
 
It finally stopped raining today down in SoCal for me to take the bike out tonight. It spudders and the rpm drops real low like it’s about to die at 1/2 turn out any further it just dies. Then I turned it out about 1.75 turns from there is when it gets to the highest. Then I back it down 1/4 so it’s about 2 turns out from all the way in. Im gonna try to see how it starts later tonight when I get off work. So it’s not jetted too rich or too lean as it seems as of right now. It’s running a 68s and 178 needle in the middle slot. . Thanks for the suggestion again.

Id trust Oaklandf4i omfor sure on this one.
 
Id trust Oaklandf4i omfor sure on this one.

For sure! Especially when how in depth he explained it to me. Greatly appreciate his help. I adjusted the fuel screw a little more out half turn and it’s good. Finally haha.
 
Good to hear you got it sorted! :thumbup

There was a lot of good info from a number of folks in this thread. Barf delivers. :twofinger

Now that you have it tuned correctly to start reliably, you can also make very small changes with the fuel screw and or pilot/needle for best throttle response. But that’s another thread....:laughing
 
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Good to hear you got it sorted! :thumbup

There was a lot of good info from a number of folks in this thread. Barf delivers. :twofinger

Now that you have it tuned correctly to start reliably, you can also make very small changes with the fuel screw and or pilot/needle for best throttle response. But that’s another thread....:laughing

Ah now that I don’t know. I don’t think I will be fine tuning it haha. Seems like a lot of work. I will eventually go a tm40 when the weather warms up and when I throw my sumo wheels on the bike. I’ve been hearing a lot of great things. I don’t know how lectron carbs compare to the fcr and tm40, has anyone tried one out? I heard gas mileage goes up with a lectron carb. Barf delivers! Thanks for your write up again!
 
Ah now that I don’t know. I don’t think I will be fine tuning it haha. Seems like a lot of work. I will eventually go a tm40 when the weather warms up and when I throw my sumo wheels on the bike. I’ve been hearing a lot of great things. I don’t know how lectron carbs compare to the fcr and tm40, has anyone tried one out? I heard gas mileage goes up with a lectron carb. Barf delivers! Thanks for your write up again!
I want me a lectron. A while ago i.missed out on a nee one for $100!!
 
Thanks for the good read Scott.

I saw some videos on it apparently it’s pretty good but the 800 something price tag man lol. A Mikuni tm80 new is half the price. I don’t ever see anyone selling them used.
 
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