Getting COVID doesn’t create immunity but a manufactured vaccine does?

[byke]

Eastern bloc..?

 

[TWF]

Eastern bloc..?

Thanks for proving my point, again.

 

[byke]

Its important because the ideogies are reversed.

 

[mlm]

Yep. I agree on that and said I may drop dead one day because of it.
To mlm, I am not promoting anything to others or claiming I am healthier than ever.

And you posted your medical records because?

I am healthy enough for my age not to worry about every virus that shows up. You can have look at some of my basic test.
However health in this country population is not good. And you don't need Covid to see that.

You are effectively stating that only unhealthy people need to be concerned with COVID, and that age and smoking don't really matter. You've also dismissed the non-lethal side effects. And by claiming this in a vaccine thread you're also effectively stating that the risk of vaccine is higher than the risk of being infected.

 

[TWF]

Its important because the ideogies are reversed.

Right, your ideologies are something everybody should adapt because they are only correct way.
I will give you adult answer. I was born in country that does not exists any more. Reason been politicians/leaders were garbage and instead fixing it they blamed people and divided them to the point they started killing each other. There are early signs of possibility it can happen here.

 

[byke]

Right, your ideologies are something everybody should adapt because they are only correct way.
I will give you adult answer. I was born in country that does not exists any more. Reason been politicians/leaders were garbage and instead fixing it they blamed people and divided them to the point they started killing each other. There are early signs of possibility it can happen here.

The eastern bloc folks that come to the US to get away from authoritarians often come here and join our authoritarians, because they don't understand US culture since all they've lived is their own. It's a very common and costly error that contributes to the problems they're trying to get away from.

How do you think we got to this point in our conversation? A series of lucky guesses..?

 

[TWF]

You are effectively stating that only unhealthy people need to be concerned with COVID, and that age and smoking don't really matter. You've also dismissed the non-lethal side effects. And by claiming this in a vaccine thread you're also effectively stating that the risk of vaccine is higher than the risk of being infected.

That is your interpretation.
I am talking about myself and my reasons not to take it. What you will do is your business not my. Maybe ask climber about individual freedom.
I was perfectly clear that vaccine reduces risk. If you don't remember go check.

 

[byke]

Like I said, freedom is where the goalpost always ends up, because it's the only angle with any truth. More fortune telling, I'm getting pretty good at this...

 

[TWF]

The eastern bloc folks that come to the US to get away from authoritarians often come here and join our authoritarians, because they don't understand US culture since all they've lived is their own. It's a very common and costly error that contributes to the problems they're trying to get away from.

Is that what you call other party? I don't subscribe to any and never will, see my previous post. Reason I am here is I did not want to follow anybodies ideology.
And you don't have to get outside the USA to see same. I see it daily here in NV, mass migration from CA . They don't want to adapt to life here so they changing it to same as they had.

 

[byke]

Two things can be wrong at the same time.

 

[mlm]

That is your interpretation.
I am talking about myself and my reasons not to take it. What you will do is your business not my. Maybe ask climber about individual freedom.
I was perfectly clear that vaccine reduces risk. If you don't remember go check.

Why do you have to convince us? You post your medical records to convince us how healthy you are. You post repeated studies to justify your personal decision.

I can accept your decision, but that doesn't mean I agree or think your logic is sound.

 

[TWF]

Why do you have to convince us? You post your medical records to convince us how healthy you are. You post repeated studies to justify your personal decision.

I can accept your decision, but that doesn't mean I agree or think your logic is sound.

Because you guys keep bringing it up.
I have not posted repeated studies. I posted one (1) single chart and one (1) study showing coffee is not unhealthy when consumed right.
Then accept it and move on. That is all I ask, to accept my decision, it is only reason I posted in this threads. And I am not talking about just you.

 

[Mike95060]

Because you guys keep bringing it up.
I have not posted repeated studies. I posted one (1) single chart and one (1) study showing coffee is not unhealthy when consumed right.
Then accept it and move on. That is all I ask, to accept my decision, it is only reason I posted in this threads. And I am not talking about just you.

Why is it so important to you that others accept your personal decision? Are you seeking validation?

I made a personal decision to eat oatmeal today. I don't need you to validate it. What am I missing here.

 

[tzrider]

The reason people react to a choice to refuse the vaccines is that when enough people do that, it perpetuates the spread of the virus. It's questionable how true that is any longer, with Omicron running amok, but the data suggests that the vaccines do have an effect on transmissibility.

Our individual choices on this do impact other people.

 

[TWF]

Why is it so important to you that others accept your personal decision?

It is not. That is not issue. Issue is attitude of people towards those that don't share same view.
I have been called lier, dishonest, right winger listening to talking heads, anti-abortion, something about shit in San Francisco, spreading misinformation, can't even remember all of it. And nowhere did I post anything even remotely close to it.
They will try to break every word I say, put another in my mouth...etc but none of it is true and why I came with name for them, which you call childish. I don't see any other reason for it because it is same towards couple other anti-vax guys.
This is also my last post here.

 

[byke]

Not everything fits under the "different" umbrella. If I spread the idea that anyone can breath underwater, you just have to really commit to it, that's not "different".

 

[mlm]

The reason people react to a choice to refuse the vaccines is that when enough people do that, it perpetuates the spread of the virus. It's questionable how true that is any longer, with Omicron running amok, but the data suggests that the vaccines do have an effect on transmissibility.

Our individual choices on this do impact other people.

Sadly our society is too selfish for vaccines to work as well as they could. I don’t have much issue with peoples individual choices but when they feel the need to justify it publicly they normalize their own selfish choice for others.

 

[Climber]

Sadly our society is too selfish for vaccines to work as well as they could. I don’t have much issue with peoples individual choices but when they feel the need to justify it publicly they normalize their own selfish choice for others.

It's worse.

It's not as much a 'preferred choice' as it is a programmed choice. Most of these people have been fed misinformation and are making choices based upon that misinformation. The manipulator's, for whatever reason, don't give a fuck about how many of them die, they have some kind of strategy and they're playing it out to their apparently willing followers.

And it's having it's toll...

U.S. has far higher COVID death rate than other wealthy countries

Two years into the pandemic, the coronavirus is killing Americans at far higher rates than people in other wealthy nations, a sobering distinction to bear as the country charts a course through the next stages of the pandemic.

The ballooning death toll has defied the hopes of many Americans that the less severe omicron variant would spare the United States the pain of past waves. Deaths have now surpassed the worst days of the autumn surge of the delta variant, and are more than two-thirds as high as the record tolls of last winter, when vaccines were largely unavailable.

I've stopped caring about what happens to these people who have chosen to not take the vaccine, but the healthcare workers are paying a very high price for their collective stupidity.

I guarantee that the higher ups of the manipulators have all taken the vaccine and as soon as they could get it.

 

[mlm]

The manipulators suck for sure, but I'm not ready to lay it all on them. The people I know (not talking about people in this thread) seem to seek their conspiracy where they can find it. Smart enough to use the internet, but ridiculously inept at vetting information. Just look at how many people actively post away personal information in FB polls and posts. My generation (X) seems to be the worst

 

[N4teTheGreat]

My generation (X) seems to be the worst

Seriously. I think we had lots of conspiratorial / anti-authority type influences through music, TV and movies (x-files AMIRITE?) that sowed the seeds of distrust. I guess combine that with being relatively formative when it comes to the age of social media and us genX-ers were poorly positioned.