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Video of rider hit on 85 yesterday , lane-splitting incident

budman said:
Incorrect. So many people get this wrong.

California law does not put a limit on the delta or the speed you can share the lane either. It does reflect the max speed of the road. An officer can pull you for speed if they think it is excessive and dangerous.

Even the CHP tips do not have speeds noted other than faster is more dangerous.

The limits do not exist. I see some riders respecting speeds involved and making good judgements. Hardly ~hardly.

Agreed there.

I think our guidelines are better than what the State threw out by a mile.
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Ok well, this is what popped up on Google.
Can’t always trust the internet.
 
greenmonster said:
Ok well, this is what popped up on Google.
Can’t always trust the internet.
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Wow.

I am shocked. Being a law is pretty black and white. I got this on an ask for the vehicle code section for lanesplitting.

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Basically the facts are correct. Interesting that the speed differential is noted (suggested).

Reckless is the tool for citations. Speeding as well.
 
Clearly the rider's fault. I don't split much but when I do I always assume that any gap large enough for a car will be filled so pass with caution. In heavy traffic people will unexpectedly jump lanes all the time without looking or signaling.
 
budman said:
Wow. I am shocked. Being a law is pretty black and white. I got this on an ask for the vehicle code section for lanesplitting.
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Looks like an AI based search which is hit or miss. I've done AI searches in my areas of expertise and have gotten gibberish, mixed true/false crap and spot on.
 
I split frequently when I am in California, and even do it ilegally sometimes here in Oregon. But I am a pretty conservative splitter, and keep my speed lower. In the case of the OPs video, I don't think speed was an issue, but the rider definitely moved into the danger zone despite the driver giving plenty of early warning about what they were about to do.

It would be great to hear the riders perspective, but based on their actions, I doubt they would admit their mistake, and would likely go off on a tangent about how terrible drivers are. Hopefully I am wrong, and the rider learned a valuable lesson.

When I split, the drivers that worry me the most are the ones who make a big move to clear a path for the rider. I suppose being seen is good, but I am not relying on being seen to split safely. I assume every driver is distrtacted and bad at driving, and act accordingly. I also try very hard to keep the red mist from clouding my judgement, and I am more than fine slowing or stopping to allow a driver to do whatever weird stuff they have in mind. Splitting is such a privelage and I enjoy it immensely, but it isn't a right. I see many riders splitting as if it is a God Given right, with a sense of entitlement and at at a speed that is unlikely to end well for them. But just like I assume most drivers suck, I assume the same for riders, until it is proven otherwise.
 
The riders delta was fine but they weren't paying attention to details, especially since they had a long warning with the minivans turn signal being on.

Riders fault, I have paused my progress and let them change lanes. Never smart to ignore a turn signal.
 
I don't think having a signal on means you can just change lanes without making sure it's safe to do so.
Also, just because someone is signaling, doesn't require you to slow down to let them in...

Driver's fault.
 
budman said:
Incorrect. So many people get this wrong.

California law does not put a limit on the delta or the speed you can share the lane either. It does reflect the max speed of the road. An officer can pull you for speed if they think it is excessive and dangerous.

Even the CHP tips do not have speeds noted other than faster is more dangerous.

The limits do not exist. I see some riders respecting speeds involved and making good judgements. Hardly ~hardly.

Agreed there.

I think our guidelines are better than what the State threw out by a mile.
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Meh...what do you know?
You make it sound like you were involved with the creation of the law or somthin'.
:laughing
 
Joe_13 said:
I don't think having a signal on means you can just change lanes without making sure it's safe to do so.
Also, just because someone is signaling, doesn't require you to slow down to let them in...

Driver's fault.
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However.... riders who test this theory often are forcibly dis-mounted and suffer the consequences of being getting hit by following vehicles, which means at the very least they may not arrive at their destination.
 
moto-rama said:
However.... riders who test this theory often are forcibly dis-mounted and suffer the consequences of being getting hit by following vehicles, which means at the very least they may not arrive at their destination.
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In boating, the vessel that is least manuevarble has the right of way. And on that same line, sail has the right of way over power.
As Jim wisely noted, just because you have the right of way doesn't mean you'll survive. You simply can't out-legislate physics.
 
It's just like a crosswalk; just because the lines in the street say you have priority, it's still on the ped to take the helm of their on safety. Cars are supposed to see you and stop, but that doesn't mean they will. Cars have a 100% win rate against peds when it comes to a collision. Not directed at anyone here, but our world has lost it sense of personal responsibility and critical thinking skills.
 
Joe_13 said:
I don't think having a signal on means you can just change lanes without making sure it's safe to do so.
Also, just because someone is signaling, doesn't require you to slow down to let them in...

Driver's fault.
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Being right doesn't make you any less dead.

When I lane split, my #1 choice is to make it home alive and uninjured. Ignoring signs like a turn signal stacks the odds against that.
 
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