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What will it take to convince you of climate change?

mean dad said:
Correct, many school rooms in San Diego do not have air conditioning. the average temperature is under 80 degrees year-round.

We were let out at 1:00 at South High in Bako if the temps were over 90, because some temp classrooms didn't have a/c.
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Huh. Today I learned.
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mean dad said:
I'll stick with my assessment that if they truly believed climate change was real, they wouldn't be paying people to say it's fake.
Which they do. So I'm not sure how much faith you can put in someone saying 'X' at the same time they're paying to have someone say 'Y'. :dunno
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IMO, if they truly believed climate change was real and human-related, they wouldn't be doing what you posted here.
 
Originally Posted by mean dad View Post
Correct, many school rooms in San Diego do not have air conditioning. the average temperature is under 80 degrees year-round.

Holy hell, yes. I've been harvesting X-mas tomatoes for the last four years. Pepper plants don't just overwinter, they fruit year-around. We have our third heat related minimum day tomorrow. Huge PITA for planning and sports. Many coaches say suck it cupcakes and run practice anyway.

Climate change, global warming, whatever you want to call it, sucks and is real. The ways in which industry wants to socialize the costs of mitigation is criminal. No surprise then that they are pumping out refutations so Congress won't be compelled to act by election threats.

Our last drought was just a taste. If one of those 125 yr events happens the west will depopulate. Oh right, that was before industrialization, climate change must be bullshit. Arg!
 
The thread is still going?

I've often wondered why climate change became political. Perhaps it's because conservatives tend to be money-grubbers. So anything that cuts into profit or increases taxes is a no-go for them.
 
Bowling4Bikes said:
am I to understand that if I am a hypocrit about my thoughts on how I approach human-assisted climate change and what I expect of others, that affects your belief on if this type of climate change is real?

ok, how about this way: how does what I say and think affect the data? If I said "you all have to change your ways but me", how does that affect the measurable acidity change in the ocean? the measurable CO2 change in the atmosphere? The immeasurable waste product accumulation from refineries? etc?
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Its too damn hot for all this, however; you are incorrect, that is not what I am saying. You asked if you are a hypocrite (or something like that), I said no and that if you met a certain criteria, rather, a tool. I am not saying you are either nor saying you are neither, I have no way of knowing.

What you said or how you said it doesn't affect any data, that is a figment of your imagination. What you tried to do was create an argument which wasn't brought up except by you. In addition, you use the term/word "data" as an identity
and that you're somehow speaking for it and in that way, putting up a proxy from behind which you can argue while not having to commit your own opinions nor have to defend anything you say.

So in case you didn't get it, climate change exists, has always existed and will continue to exist until there is no climate. Why certain interests, other than lay people who consume causes and give their money and self interests away for banners and such ,have invested so much attention, what their true intentions are why the names change but those behind them stay pretty much the same, is open for debate.

How consensus became the substitute for facts is also interesting.
 
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Reli said:
The thread is still going?

I've often wondered why climate change became political. Perhaps it's because conservatives tend to be money-grubbers. So anything that cuts into profit or increases taxes is a no-go for them.
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Actually, it wasn't political until you posted that ^.

Now it's political, way to go.:thumbup
 
Schnellbandit said:
How consensus became the substitute for facts is also interesting.
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psst. haye. haye you. over here.

Kurosaki said:
I'm pretty sure science is a constant process of observation and experimentation to strengthen a theory or prove a theory false in light of new evidence. Not just facts.

So let's change your word consensus to scientific theory. Scientific theories can be changed.
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Schnellbandit said:
Its too damn hot for all this, however; you are incorrect, that is not what I am saying. You asked if you are a hypocrite (or something like that), I said no and that if you met a certain criteria, rather, a tool. I am not saying you are either nor saying you are neither, I have no way of knowing.

What you said or how you said it doesn't affect any data, that is a figment of your imagination. What you tried to do was create an argument which wasn't brought up except by you. In addition, you use the term/word "data" as an identity
and that you're somehow speaking for it and in that way, putting up a proxy from behind which you can argue while not having to commit your own opinions nor have to defend anything you say.

So in case you didn't get it, climate change exists, has always existed and will continue to exist until there is no climate. Why certain interests, other than lay people who consume causes and give their money and self interests away for banners and such ,have invested so much attention, what their true intentions are why the names change but those behind them stay pretty much the same, is open for debate.

How consensus became the substitute for facts is also interesting.
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I agree with you that minimizing our individual carbon footprint is important.

So, what convinced you that you should do something about your carbon footprint?
 
brichter said:
This thread is about convincing the deniers that CC is real, and my point is; you'll never convince the "fake news" crew if all you do is come at them with fake news. :rofl
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Actually, as the OP, I get to decide what this thread is about. It's not about convincing anybody of anything. It's about finding out what kind of evidence would change a denier's mind. So far, the answer is an overwhelming no amount of evidence will ever change their minds.
 
nakedape said:
Originally Posted by mean dad View Post
Correct, many school rooms in San Diego do not have air conditioning. the average temperature is under 80 degrees year-round.

Holy hell, yes. I've been harvesting X-mas tomatoes for the last four years. Pepper plants don't just overwinter, they fruit year-around. We have our third heat related minimum day tomorrow. Huge PITA for planning and sports. Many coaches say suck it cupcakes and run practice anyway.

Climate change, global warming, whatever you want to call it, sucks and is real. The ways in which industry wants to socialize the costs of mitigation is criminal. No surprise then that they are pumping out refutations so Congress won't be compelled to act by election threats.

Our last drought was just a taste. If one of those 125 yr events happens the west will depopulate. Oh right, that was before industrialization, climate change must be bullshit. Arg!
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Historically, we've had way worse than that.https://www.google.com/amp/www.mercurynews.com/2014/01/25/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more-than-200-years-scientists-say/amp/
 
Gabe said:
Actually, as the OP, I get to decide what this thread is about. It's not about convincing anybody of anything. It's about finding out what kind of evidence would change a denier's mind. So far, the answer is an overwhelming no amount of evidence will ever change their minds.
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waht. oh no comrade Teh Barfs peoples committee on social appropriateness must be consulted before you can be declared commissar of this thread.
Are you bucking for a train ticket to our Siberian re-education camp?

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Meanwhile in Lousiana.

Interesting read. Looks like they are dealing with rising sea rise, and decades worth of wet land destruction by oil companies, without mentioning the dirty words.

I think someone in this thread, or some other thread, asked about the costs of Climate Change. Well one of the examples.
 
It hit 100 today here in Salinas, a place famed for temperate weather. All-time record.

We had a cyclone last February for the first time ever.

Something is definitely going on.
 
tuxumino said:
waht. oh no comrade Teh Barfs peoples committee on social appropriateness must be consulted before you can be declared commissar of this thread.
Are you bucking for a train ticket to our Siberian re-education camp?

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:laughing
 
UDRider said:
Meanwhile in Lousiana.

Interesting read. Looks like they are dealing with rising sea rise, and decades worth of wet land destruction by oil companies, without mentioning the dirty words.

I think someone in this thread, or some other thread, asked about the costs of Climate Change. Well one of the examples.
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That is a good read..very interesting.
Still baffles me that they developed all this land that was under water to begin with and now they have to "battle" the rising waters of climate change.. :laughing
 
UDRider said:
Meanwhile in Lousiana.

Interesting read. Looks like they are dealing with rising sea rise, and decades worth of wet land destruction by oil companies, without mentioning the dirty words.

I think someone in this thread, or some other thread, asked about the costs of Climate Change. Well one of the examples.
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All of the toxic crap dumped into the Mississippi (mostly in Ohio) upstream from New Orleans has probably done more damage than the oil companies, you certainly wouldn't want to swim in it and forget about drinking the tap water in New Orleans!
 
Gabe said:
Actually, as the OP, I get to decide what this thread is about. It's not about convincing anybody of anything. It's about finding out what kind of evidence would change a denier's mind. So far, the answer is an overwhelming no amount of evidence will ever change their minds.
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I'll admit to not reading every post but just who denies the climate doesn't change?

What it looks like, and I could be in error, is that the primary cause of it isn't being accepted and that is the real issue of the thread.

The thread needs a poll:

Do you believe climate change, regardless of the cause, exists?

Yes
No

I'm betting the foundation of the original question would cease to exist and then the real purpose would come into play, is the primary cause of climate change a result of human activity beyond mere existence.

The term "climate change denier" is is used not to identify those who claim climate change doesn't exist but rather who doesn't agree that the primary cause is human activity beyond that needed for existence. Those are two very different things.
 
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