2 teen girls carjack and kill an Uber Eats driver in Washington DC

[lizard]

I read headlines but didn’t understand what happened until I saw the vid. Don’t click if you may be upset:

https://twitter.com/dbagdasar/status/1376021617281658886?s=21

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

I read headlines but didn’t understand what happened until I saw the vid. Don’t click if you may be upset:

https://twitter.com/dbagdasar/status/1376021617281658886?s=21

yea, some trolling text on that tweet though ^^^

the video is literally the same since yesterday in the OP .. i.e. the OP's tweet has like a 10-hour news head-start, without being trolly and sensational.


Also note that the driver made the car door slam at the parking pylons two times before the corner.. ugh, pretty crappy

 

[HappyHighwayman]

So how do they decide if a minor should be charged as an adult or not?

Edit:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...nse/juvenile/who-decides-try-a-juvenile-adult

A lot of discretion

 

[ScarySpikes]

So how do they decide if a minor should be charged as an adult or not?

Edit:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...nse/juvenile/who-decides-try-a-juvenile-adult

A lot of discretion

Charging a minor as an adult should not be a thing, even in cases as reprehensible as this. the discretion alone is problematic because different prosecutors and different judges will make very different decisions for pretty arbitrary reasons. You also end up with a problem that a kid charged as an adult will go to the adult prison. Prison conditions in the US are terrible for adults, sticking a kid in one is asking for trouble.

 

[bojangle]

Charging a minor as an adult should not be a thing, even in cases as reprehensible as this. the discretion alone is problematic because different prosecutors and different judges will make very different decisions for pretty arbitrary reasons. You also end up with a problem that a kid charged as an adult will go to the adult prison. Prison conditions in the US are terrible for adults, sticking a kid in one is asking for trouble.

They'd be housed in a youth authority until they turn of age. They won't be housed with adults in adult prison.

In California, a juvenile committing the most serious of serious offenses in the juvenile system can only be housed until age 25 max. They could kill a dozen kids at a school at 17 years old...free at age 25. Yeah, fuck that noise.

 

[Climber]

Charging a minor as an adult should not be a thing, even in cases as reprehensible as this. the discretion alone is problematic because different prosecutors and different judges will make very different decisions for pretty arbitrary reasons. You also end up with a problem that a kid charged as an adult will go to the adult prison. Prison conditions in the US are terrible for adults, sticking a kid in one is asking for trouble.

There's been cases where I 100% disagree with you. Some people are pure evil with absolutely no respect for other human beings. They need to be taken out of society and never allowed to be free among other human beings again.

No, there is no way to fix some of the people that are broken.

 

[Kornholio]

They'd be housed in a youth authority until they turn of age. They won't be housed with adults in adult prison.

In California, a juvenile committing the most serious of serious offenses in the juvenile system can only be housed until age 25 max. They could kill a dozen kids at a school at 17 years old...free at age 25. Yeah, fuck that noise.

+eleventybillion

I'm not psychologist or psychiatrist, but I have a very hard time believing that a 15 or even 13 year old wouldn't know that carjacking is illegal or at least a "bad thing". Hell, even if they were exposed to it through video games or the media, as is so often the blamed cause in this country, they'd still know our society considers it a reprehensible act if not also knowing it's a downright illegal one.

 

[bojangle]

+eleventybillion

I'm not psychologist or psychiatrist, but I have a very hard time believing that a 15 or even 13 year old wouldn't know that carjacking is illegal or at least a "bad thing". Hell, even if they were exposed to it through video games or the media, as is so often the blamed cause in this country, they'd still know our society considers it a reprehensible act if not also knowing it's a downright illegal one.

And they did more than just a robbery. They brutally slammed him between the door and car by hitting the pylons and then launched him out of the car in a horrific crash. The dude had no chance. Hard working immigrant providing for his family murdered by two delinquent little shits. That video is brutal to watch. Like I said earlier, some "mistakes" are just unforgivable. Sorry that your brain isn't fully developed, but you've proven yourself to be a danger to society.

 

[Doobz]

In a situation like that, would it be worth checking for a pulse and maybe performing cpr?

 

[mrzuzzo]

Wow, pure evil. I hope they get hate crime charges as well. This was more than just a carjacking gone wrong. These beings don't deserve to be a part of our society.

Also, I really didn't need to see that video. Brutal.

 

[Yakoo752]

In a situation like that, would it be worth checking for a pulse and maybe performing cpr?

Yes but who on scene had the training and experience to do so?

Fwiw, he didn’t move at all. I would have checked but wouldn’t have expected.

 

[ScarySpikes]

They'd be housed in a youth authority until they turn of age. They won't be housed with adults in adult prison.

In California, a juvenile committing the most serious of serious offenses in the juvenile system can only be housed until age 25 max. They could kill a dozen kids at a school at 17 years old...free at age 25. Yeah, fuck that noise.

You are using a hyperbolic example. I think it's perfectly fine to argue that the juvenile justice system should be reformed to remove that max, so that, while crimes are handled and punished differently, in edge cases like you are talking about there isn't a max punishment, but how the case is handled, and what the punishment for each individual crime is should be different. I do not think a life sentence for felony murder by a 13 and 15 year old will ever be appropriate.

There's been cases where I 100% disagree with you. Some people are pure evil with absolutely no respect for other human beings. They need to be taken out of society and never allowed to be free among other human beings again.

No, there is no way to fix some of the people that are broken.

Even if you believe that there are people who are pure evil, how exactly do you identify who can be reformed, and who can't? I would not be completely comfortable making that decision about most adults. The idea that we can decide a 13 and 15 year old can't reform is beyond insane to me.

We as a society have decided that children under 18 do not have the same rights and responsibilities as adults. We do that because, as a society, we understand that it takes until at least 18 for kids to learn and develop to the point that they can be full members of society.

If we decided that 13 year olds were responsible enough to vote, live on their own, drive, drink, and otherwise act as fully independent members of society, then I would be ok with them being criminally charged as fully independent members of society.

 

[tzrider]

Even if you believe that there are people who are pure evil, how exactly do you identify who can be reformed, and who can't?

In a case like this, I don't care if they can be reformed or not. Reform isn't the point.

 

[Randy B]

In a situation like that, would it be worth checking for a pulse and maybe performing cpr?

Checking for a pulse..yes. That very well may have happened before the guy recording got around the corner.

The issue with CPR is that he was lying face down and there is a very high probability that he either had spine or neck trauma, so flipping him over without securing him to a board first could have been worse than not doing the CPR.

As far as who was trained in first aid? Every one of the soldiers were. I'm quite sure they understood that it was best to wait for the medics to get there to help the man because all they could do is kill him by rolling him over.

 

[JesasaurusRex]

You are using a hyperbolic example. I think it's perfectly fine to argue that the juvenile justice system should be reformed to remove that max, so that, while crimes are handled and punished differently, in edge cases like you are talking about there isn't a max punishment, but how the case is handled, and what the punishment for each individual crime is should be different. I do not think a life sentence for felony murder by a 13 and 15 year old will ever be appropriate.


Even if you believe that there are people who are pure evil, how exactly do you identify who can be reformed, and who can't? I would not be completely comfortable making that decision about most adults. The idea that we can decide a 13 and 15 year old can't reform is beyond insane to me.

We as a society have decided that children under 18 do not have the same rights and responsibilities as adults. We do that because, as a society, we understand that it takes until at least 18 for kids to learn and develop to the point that they can be full members of society.

If we decided that 13 year olds were responsible enough to vote, live on their own, drive, drink, and otherwise act as fully independent members of society, then I would be ok with them being criminally charged as fully independent members of society.

Ya that's how I see it too. I'd be more comfortable charging the parents for the crime than I would be charging minors as adults.

 

[nakedape]

Ya that's how I see it too. I'd be more comfortable charging the parents for the crime than I would be charging minors as adults.

A lawyer of the scumbag type bought his 17-year-old a Camaro and he wrecked horribly. Fucked up his friend. Dumb dad bought him another one and said "be careful" and he killed his passenger. Dad was held liable. I struck out on the google link, somebody pick me up. Floriduh.

When I collaborated with a neighbor kid to grow a whopping three pot plants mid-eighties my dad roasted them with roundup and told me why. "Son, I have a state license and your horticultural experiments aren't going to fuck with it."

OK dad, thanks for being honest.

 

[bojangle]

Ya that's how I see it too. I'd be more comfortable charging the parents for the crime than I would be charging minors as adults.

While I have little doubt that their parents are far from model people, the fact is that the parents weren't the ones who brutally murdered this guy.

 

[Kornholio]

Yes but who on scene had the training and experience to do so?

Fwiw, he didn’t move at all. I would have checked but wouldn’t have expected.

He did flinch a couple of times...

As for the training and experience, I saw a lot of Soldiers around. It stands to reason that at least one of them had Combat Lifesaver Training training/certification.

 

[tzrider]

The issue with CPR is that he was lying face down and there is a very high probability that he either had spine or neck trauma, so flipping him over without securing him to a board first could have been worse than not doing the CPR.

ABC (Airway, Breathing, Circulation) take priority over spinal injury. If the patient isn't breathing, he will die. You can determine breathing and pulse without moving the patient. If one found no breathing or pulse, declining to move the patient would be choosing to let him die in order to save his spine.

 

[JesasaurusRex]

While I have little doubt that their parents are far from model people, the fact is that the parents weren't the ones who brutally murdered this guy.

The other fact is that they're minors.

Think of it like the cops killing an innocent person in the middle of a persuit. The fleeing suspect gets brought up on the charge, but we really know who killed that person.