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5 dead in fatal motorcycle crash

Impossible to say without video if the driver could have saved the off road situation, but I've always questioned the competence of Cali drivers in general anyway. Driving in the land of ice and snow seems to teach a few skills that are never used in the balmy areas of the state.
 
DaveT319 said:
That 5-over-to-pass rule is such horseshit. I want to complete the maneuver as quickly as possible, not have to take a quarter mile to get past a semi.
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Actually, 5-over is a myth. There is a thread somewhere here on BARF where I thought the same thing and was corrected by a LEO. Never under any circumstances are you allowed to exceed the speed limit. BUUUUUUUUT, I'm going to go with the flow of traffic or a teeny bit faster. :teeth
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
I don't have medical training. There were a number of witnesses, from the sound if it. There's not a ton I could do to help if I stayed--
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However you are qualified to do the most important thing in such a situation: prevent further injuries/fatalities by warning oncoming traffic.

First aid is priority #2.
 
2strokeYardSale said:
The exact same situation happened in May 1994 on Hwy. 1 and resulted in the deaths of three motorcyclists. The driver of the oncoming vehicle who lost control was perceived as another victim. The rider of the passing vehicle in the oncoming lane was perceived as the villain and was convicted of a crime.


Wait, what was that about conspiracy theories?
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I remember that accident and it was the lead motorcyclist fault. He was going close to 100 mph and went over the little rise in the middle of the straight-away by nudie lakes and came down in the oncoming lane and side swiped the car going the opposite direction. That driver swerved and lost control and the next three motorcycles that came over the rise in excess of eighty mph hit the car head on. The lead rider was convicted of vehicular manslaughter.
 
High-Side said:
I remember that accident and it was the lead motorcyclist fault. He was going close to 100 mph and went over the little rise in the middle of the straight-away by nudie lakes and came down in the oncoming lane and side swiped the car going the opposite direction. That driver swerved and lost control and the next three motorcycles that came over the rise in excess of eighty mph hit the car head on. The lead rider was convicted of vehicular manslaughter.
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I remember it as well..It was quite the topic at "the Wall". The lead bike wasn't riding with the three bikes that hit the Subaru that went sideways, after being sideswiped by the lead bike.

Both the lead bike rider, and one of the three guys that were killed...were regulars at the "Wall".

It was told a little different..the lead bike, didn't see the Subaru, because the Subaru hadn't come up out of a dip/turn, that's in a Eucalyptus grove...Lincoln (the lead bike rider) didn't get back on his side of the road quick enough..to not hit the Subaru's side.

That (and I have to think the Subaru drivers lack of skill) put the Subaru sideways, and the three other bikers hit it like rapid gun fire.

I don't think the three riders were doing in excess of 80 MPH...No report I ever saw made a speed claim...the one kid I knew (but I wasn't there when it happened) seemed so happy to just stay within safe bounds...I'd guess maybe in excess of 60-65 would be more like it.
 
High-Side said:
I remember that accident and it was the lead motorcyclist fault. He was going close to 100 mph and went over the little rise in the middle of the straight-away by nudie lakes and came down in the oncoming lane and side swiped the car going the opposite direction. That driver swerved and lost control and the next three motorcycles that came over the rise in excess of eighty mph hit the car head on. The lead rider was convicted of vehicular manslaughter.
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Do you think the lead rider would have been charged if he hadn't struck the Subaru?
 
High-Side said:
My feelings too, but this is barf - where it's always in vogue to bash Harleys and Harley riders. :(
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I blame the government.
no, i blame us, who elect representatives who allow the DMV to operate in an irresposible manner by givin driver's licenses to those with no skilz.

People really can drive for shit. Fuck. pay attention. Brake and hold. Drive off into the weeds.
No, talk on the phone, play the stereo. Yell at the kids. Pet your dog on your lap.
Shit. Sucks still.
 
Lovedoc said:
Do you think the lead rider would have been charged if he hadn't struck the Subaru?
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Hell yes. (Motorcycle in Marin!) Well actually, I don't think he would have stuck around and owned up to causing it by making an unsafe pass. Known douchenozzle.

Anyway, not jacking the thread or anything, just pointing out that in a similar lose-lose oncioming vehicle situation, another driver chose uber-lose. (There but for the grace of dog go I, and all that.)
 
louemc said:
I remember it as well..
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I went out to the site the next day and saw all the marks. There was still plastics from the bikes along the side of the road. The rise is the same place I always used to hit at high speed to get the front end as light as I could - never again after that. I never noticed the road has a slight bend to the right on the other side

I've lived my whole life in Marin and remember the local paper reporting they were riding at a very high speed, and I liked high speeds back then and thought "Wow - they were ripping". The next few months the Sunday Morning ride was monitored heavily by the CHP and that stretch of the road was not a fun place to ride for quite awhile.
 
Lovedoc said:
Do you think the lead rider would have been charged if he hadn't struck the Subaru?
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If he never side swiped the car then my guess is the driver of the car wouldn't of swerved and none of this would have happened.
 
SuperMike said:
Well then there's not much in common between these two incidents, is there?
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I never said there was - are you mistaking me for 2stroke?

2strokeYardSale said:
The exact same situation happened in May 1994 on Hwy. 1 and resulted in the deaths of three motorcyclists. The driver of the oncoming vehicle who lost control was perceived as another victim. The rider of the passing vehicle in the oncoming lane was perceived as the villain and was convicted of a crime.


Wait, what was that about conspiracy theories?
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High-Side said:
I never said there was - are you mistaking me for 2stroke?
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Oh, I wasn't speaking specifically to you.

I quoted you in order to make my point, that this thread was veering off-topic with the discussion of the hwy 1 incident.
 
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