8 reasons to buy this type of motorcycle

[DonTom]

What are their actual lifespans to begin with?.

Around 27 years or perhaps a half million miles.

See here.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

I own two ICE SUVs, But as long as they sit in the garage rarely being used, it makes little difference.

-Don- Reno, NV

Except having the luxury of being able to store, insure, and register something that gets rarely used is not particularly common.
The luxury and privilege of being able to save the planet is great and all, but a bit of a reality check is probably in order. The virtue signaling is pretty obnoxious, to be honest.
Talking about all the wholesome aspects of owning an electric vehicle while inferring those that stick to ICE vehicles are somehow "missing the boat" is just as obnoxious as burning $100 bills on the sidewalk in the tenderloin.
Until it's a practical utilitarian vehicle that meets realistic needs, an e-vehicle is just a luxury status symbol.

 

[Whammy]

Flawed data.... or would this be an exception?
"The European survey did reveal some Tesla drivers experienced significantly shorter battery life."
I re assert this medium is just not quite there yet and as I stated earlier how to dispose of them once their service life is done.

 

[R3DS!X]

is just as obnoxious as burning $100 bills on the sidewalk in the tenderloin.

Hey man, we all have our hobbies, i wont mock yours, dont mock mine.

 

[redtail]

Until it's a practical utilitarian vehicle that meets realistic needs

While I agree because an e-bike wouldn't fit well into my circumstances. But reality is, not everybody has the same utilitarian needs, so an e-bike might just fit nicely into their garage.

Some people buy cruisers, some people buy sport bikes, e-bikes are just another option.

 

[HadesOmega]

I think ebikes just don't work for most people yet. Why I am not even considering one even if they were cheaper than gas.

I don't have a garage and can't just run a power cord down from my upstairs apartment. So I couldn't use an E bike even if it was free. This is equally true for a electric car.

If I go to the trouble of unlocking, uncovering and pulling the bike out I always ride over 120 miles (probably average 150-160). Make a day of it going somewhere for lunch.

I do road trips, again range and charging an issue.



I guess I see EBikes kinda like electric cars. People say how great they are and feel their saving the environment. While still having a gas SUV in the garage at home. IMO were just not there yet.

This is true if I lived in an apartment I wouldn't want to park my expensive ebike outside out in a car port or have to run an extension cord out of my apartment. I believe some apartment complexes have chargers I've seen them though. The only bike I would consider if you lived at an apartment is an Energica because it has a L3 charger. You'd have to ride to your closest DC Fastcharger and fill it up. I guess if your workplace had a charger though it would work also. The EV infrastructure isn't that good yet also.

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

While I agree because an e-bike wouldn't fit well into my circumstances. But reality is, not everybody has the same utilitarian needs, so an e-bike might just fit nicely into their garage.

Some people buy cruisers, some people buy sport bikes, e-bikes are just another option.

Absolutely!
But E-moto people extolling the need to adopt this technology now because the alternative is so antiquated while ignoring the impracticality and expense of electric vehicles is just as awful and annoying as Harley loyalists asking non HD owners when they'll get a "real" bike.
I think the car side of e-vehicle owners are more vocal and offensive than motorcyclists, but there's certainly a contingent of the group that is guilty.
You don't get a free pass to proselytize just because your option is advertised as environmentally friendly.

 

[DonTom]

You're making people who own E-motos look bad with this clickbait shit.

Sorry if I made a few people here BARF with that!

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[mean dad]

Fairly telling that you have to fool people into showing them how awesome leccy bikes are.

 

[DonTom]

This is true if I lived in an apartment I wouldn't want to park my expensive ebike outside out in a car port or have to run an extension cord out of my apartment. I believe some apartment complexes have chargers I've seen them though. The only bike I would consider if you lived at an apartment is an Energica because it has a L3 charger. You'd have to ride to your closest DC Fastcharger and fill it up. I guess if your workplace had a charger though it would work also. The EV infrastructure isn't that good yet also.

I agree with all of that, but the EV charge stations are improving fast. They doubled this year. Wal*Mart and the Harley shops are probably a large part of that. At least for now, the Harley shop in Reno CCS charging is free. But it only does 15 KW, while my Energica can handle 25KW. The Harley Livewire can only charge at 12 KW.

Some Harley shops have their CCS charger all connected but turned off until they receive their LWs. Such as the HD shop in Rocklin, CA. But for now, the CCS charger in Reno HD shop is free for anybody to use. I was the first one to use it. There is no charge to charge there, at least for now.

BTW, the Harley LW is delayed again because of a safety issue with its low level on-board AC charger.

Still not nearly enough charge stations in the middle of nowhere, but not a problem for most of my riding in CA until I try to get up to the SuasanVille area.

Not being able to charge at home would be a hassle, 99% charge at home. And the Energica is also not a great idea as you should not use CCS charging every time as that is bad for the battery if used too much. However, you can lower the charge rate, but then it becomes a big rip-off as many CCS chargers charge us by the minute, such as 25 cents per minute, regardless of KWHs used.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[DonTom]

Fairly telling that you have to fool people into showing them how awesome leccy bikes are.

IMO, too many people refuse to try them, for whatever reason. But often, when they do . . .

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[bpw]

I went to protest jamming a pipeline under the Missouri River and endangering thousands of people who depend on that river for their drinking water at Standing Rock. I saw how the oil companies hire special forces goons who lie (psyops) and threaten prayerful elders and peaceful protesters.

I vowed to not buy their stinkin' planet-destroying fuel again.

I now have an electric moto (Brammo Empulse R), an electric car (Chevy Bolt EV) and an electric bicycle (Specialized Como). The right tool for the right task.

Do I miss gasoline fumes at the filling station, disposing of dirty oil and filters, busting my knuckles trying to get that stuck plug to break loose, futzing with valve shims? Not so much.

And I really like flipping off gas stations as I glide by. YMMV.

While going electric for transportation is certainly a big reduction in your oil consumption, you are still buying plenty of petroleum from those oil companies on a daily basis.

 

[DonTom]

While going electric for transportation is certainly a big reduction in your oil consumption, you are still buying plenty of petroleum from those oil companies on a daily basis.

Maybe not. I know people who charge only from Solar and batteries--totally off the grid. And even if commercial power, it could come from other sources that have nothing to do with oil. I doubt if much oil is used in those windmills I see at Altamont Pass. Those have a max capacity 576 million watts, but generally run at 125 million watts. That's 12,500 Teslas they can charge at ten KW steady or around 100,000 electric motorcycles at a time. Per day, it is several times that, as not everybody will charge at the same time.


-Don- Reno, NV

 

[DonTom]

Until it's a practical utilitarian vehicle that meets realistic needs, an e-vehicle is just a luxury status symbol.

While I will admit that the electric motorcycles have their limits, can you explain how my 2018 Tesla Model 3 (LR, AWD) does not meet realistic needs?

They are driven across the country and also into Canada and Mexico every day.

But since most people charge at home, and most people in the USA drive less than 40 miles per day even the cheapest EVs with less range do quite well in the "realistic" category.

In most ways, if not in every way, I find it MUCH more practical than any gas vehicle of the same size, etc.

Many little reasons, such as how the cruise control works in the mountains that will damage a transmission in an ICE vehicle from the constant shifting.

And if you leave a dog in the car on a 100°F day.

And check all is okay from a distance on your SmartPhone. And see on a map where your car is located (don't rip-off a Tesla) with the address shown.

And how I can warm it up from indoors at 1° per second. No motor running.

There's much more. But if that doesn't impress you, see here.


-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

While I will admit that the electric motorcycles have their limits, can you explain how my 2018 Tesla Model 3 (LR, AWD) does not meet realistic needs?

They are driven across the country and also into Canada and Mexico every day.

But since most people charge at home, and most people in the USA drive less than 40 miles per day even the cheapest EVs with less range do quite well in the "realistic" category.

In most ways, if not in every way, I find it MUCH more practical than any gas vehicle of the same size, etc.

Many little reasons, such as how the cruise control works in the mountains that will damage a transmission in an ICE vehicle from the constant shifting.

And if you leave a dog in the car on a 100°F day.

And check all is okay from a distance on your SmartPhone. And see on a map where your car is located (don't rip-off a Tesla) with the address shown.

And how I can warm it up from indoors at 1° per second. No motor running.

There's much more. But if that doesn't impress you, see here.


-Don- Reno, NV

Well, the Tesla can't currently replace my Ford F250 diesel. Until a Tesla can reliably tow 10,000lbs to various deserts and race tracks, it's not an option there.
A Tesla could replace my wife's Mazda 3, except for the 2-3 drives to LA monthly that would require a charge halfway there. Granted, we could do those runs in the truck, but 18mpg empty and $100 oil changes every 5k miles, those costs eat at the savings of the Tesla. As someone who doesn't use cruise control, doesn't have a dog, and would never want my vehicle linked to a smartphone, the tech of the Tesla actually decreases the appeal to me.
The Chevy Volt would have been a contender for her vehicle, except it's interior and build quality are pretty shoddy. General Motors has never built an interior that I found acceptable. Honestly, on that subject, Tesla still hasn't built an interior that matches that of most mid-line Japanese cars.
I have 2 other cars in my yard, a 1971 Land Rover Series 2a and a 1973 Volkswagen Thing. Neither serve any particular practical application, but a Tesla or any other EV wouldn't be able to match the functionality of either of those cars.
You wouldn't be the first to suggest electrification of either of those classics, but both get taken to the desert and used, and charging from my 3500watt Honda generator would use the power allocated for my A/C.
Again, practical for some, but not all.

 

[DonTom]

Well, the Tesla can't currently replace my Ford F250 diesel. Until a Tesla can reliably tow 10,000lbs to various deserts and race tracks, it's not an option there.
A Tesla could replace my wife's Mazda 3, except for the 2-3 drives to LA monthly that would require a charge halfway there. Granted, we could do those runs in the truck, but 18mpg empty and $100 oil changes every 5k miles, those costs eat at the savings of the Tesla. As someone who doesn't use cruise control, doesn't have a dog, and would never want my vehicle linked to a smartphone, the tech of the Tesla actually decreases the appeal to me.
The Chevy Volt would have been a contender for her vehicle, except it's interior and build quality are pretty shoddy. General Motors has never built an interior that I found acceptable. Honestly, on that subject, Tesla still hasn't built an interior that matches that of most mid-line Japanese cars.
I have 2 other cars in my yard, a 1971 Land Rover Series 2a and a 1973 Volkswagen Thing. Neither serve any particular practical application, but a Tesla or any other EV wouldn't be able to match the functionality of either of those cars.
You wouldn't be the first to suggest electrification of either of those classics, but both get taken to the desert and used, and charging from my 3500watt Honda generator would use the power allocated for my A/C.
Again, practical for some, but not all.

You do make some good points. I think the Tesla Model X can only tow 5,000 lbs. Enough for most people. But you're not a "most people" if you need to tow 10K#s.

Even my two ICE Jeep SUVs and my RV cannot do 10K# towing each. But the most I carry is on my hitches is my 317 lb Zero DS electric motorcycle. I always take it on my RV trips, with this ramp ( no ropes needed).

But to get to LA in a Tesla without a recharge can be done in a 2020 Roadster, but that is an expensive way to avoid a 20 minute stop at a Tesla Supercharger while taking a break.

A smartphone is not required with a Tesla, but I have found it to be very useful at times. I normally use only the FOB.

But the Tesla itself is much like a Smartphone on wheels.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

You do make some good points. I think the Tesla Model X can only tow 5,000 lbs. Enough for most people. But you're not a "most people" if you need to tow 10K#s.

Even my two ICE Jeep SUVs and my RV cannot do 10K# towing each. But the most I carry is on my hitches is my 317 lb Zero DS electric motorcycle. I always take it on my RV trips, with this ramp ( no ropes needed).

But to get to LA in a Tesla without a recharge can be done in a 2020 Roadster, but that is an expensive way to avoid a 20 minute stop at a Tesla Supercharger while taking a break.

A smartphone is not required with a Tesla, but I have found it to be very useful at times. I normally use only the FOB.

But the Tesla itself is much like a Smartphone on wheels.

-Don- Reno, NV

The cars obviously work for some people, or there wouldn't be any demand. It's cool that it works for you, but I think mass adoptation is a long ways off.
Just like e-motorcycles. There's a market, and very small use cases that they make sense. But they're just not realistic, and thus largely inhabit that "disposable income" spending area.
What disposable income I have gets absorbed by camping and attempting to keep my Land Rover driving.

 

[DonTom]

Just like e-motorcycles. There's a market, and very small use cases that they make sense. But they're just not realistic, and thus largely inhabit that "disposable income" spending area.
What disposable income I have gets absorbed by camping and attempting to keep my Land Rover driving.

What type of camping do you do? I am into backpacking, no car camping. OTOH, I do RV camping also.

Yeah, for these days, I would not want an electric motorcycle as my only bike. If I were stuck with one bike out of my ten, it would probably be the Moto Guzzi Stelvio. A go anywhere bike with an 8.5 gallon fuel tank. For a heavy bike, it handles very well at slow speeds and on unpaved roads. But what do I ride the most? My three electrics, by far. I put more miles on those three than my other seven ICE bikes combined.

I ride almost every day.

But my Tesla M3 would easily serve as my only car. But I ride motorcycles a lot more than I drive cars. The cars (including two SUVs and a pickup truck) are mainly for when it looks like rain or snow, or need to carry a lot of stuff.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[bpw]

Maybe not. I know people who charge only from Solar and batteries--totally off the grid. And even if commercial power, it could come from other sources that have nothing to do with oil. I doubt if much oil is used in those windmills I see at Altamont Pass. Those have a max capacity 576 million watts, but generally run at 125 million watts. That's 12,500 Teslas they can charge at ten KW steady or around 100,000 electric motorcycles at a time. Per day, it is several times that, as not everybody will charge at the same time.


-Don- Reno, NV

It's not just electricity and gasoline that comes from oil, plenty of plastic in an electric vehicle and a huge portion of the items we use every day are petroleum based, not to mention all the fertilizer used to grow food.

Reducing oil use is good, but completely avoiding oil (and the oil companies) is essentially impossible.

 

[mean dad]

IMO, too many people refuse to try them, for whatever reason. But often, when they do . . .

-Don- Reno, NV

That does nothing to refute my statement that you have to use subterfuge in order to brag about the vehicle you want everyone to embrace.

And if you have to fool people into being impressed about your ride it means your ride isn't that impressive.

It's like a church having an event held elsewhere with no message about Christ in any of the adverts, and then springing the God talk halfway through whatever bullshit they sold you to get you in the seat.


I've tried them and find them lacking, especially for the price.