A Pox On Metzeler/Pirelli And Their Made In China Tires

[Cincinnatus]

Ummm... Is that pro-Chinese jingoism??

 

[stan23]

There is no conspiracy here.

Spec is spec, and i'm sure if you measure a Chinese made tire, against a European one, it would be the same.

What we have here is one anecdote about how it requires more pressure (90+ PSI) to seed a tire. Not any real evidence on corners cut, or different molds, etc..

 

[Darkness!]

Ok now I'm all confused. I thought tires from India had one big red dot. I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

For reference, to me, this was funny.

The one big red dot on India tires are so they can smack themselves in the head, and get a high quality dot on their forehead ... That they like. (it's a spiritual experience).

To me, ^^^THIS^^^ is just sadly uneducated typical old, crusty Caucasian cultural racism.

Does it qualify as racism when it has to do with culture rather than race?

Yes, it does:

Rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/ noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
- prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism



(Sigh) Folks, gonna have to thread-jack here for a couple minutes, bear with me.

Budman JUST had a really well thought out thread about all this:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408157&highlight=Racism+barf


Z3n is on the money here...as a person from India who came as a young kid, I think as, and generally am, an American. But it does bug me that so many of you "Murica, fuck yeah" morons thinks it's hilarious to shit on, even in jest, so easily and casually other cultures that you know fuck all about. Do you even know what the dot is supposed to signify?!? If some Asian guy said something about all Christian crosses and the KKK, you idiots would be all up in arms and butthurt about it.

Before you get too proud about "Murican" culture...let me remind you about the systematic genocide and oppression of the Native peoples that were here before you. Stealing their lands. African American slavery and the indentured servitude (also slavery) of the Chinese who were used like people used canaries in mines when building the railroads (fuck it, there's always more a those damn chinks). And that doesn't even touch on what's currently happening in this country in regards to race and culture.

STOP FUCKING THROWING STONES FROM YOUR CRACKER ASS GLASS HOUSES!

(Don't like it? As a co worker says all the time, The truth hurts, only if you're a little bitch. So stop being a little bitch)

By all means, be proud of being an American, there are a LOT of things about this country to be proud of. You're feelings of the superiority of "your" culture is not one of them.

Realize too that the freedom you have right now to joke about and laugh about and look down on "those goddamn foreigners" was bought in large part by those very same people and cultures you're bitching about.
/end rant (back to your usual bitchfests)

 

[Junkie]

Please remember your caste system while you're throwing stones.

There's a big difference between being opposed, or laughing at, a racial characteristic and a cultural one. You can choose not do be part of your birth culture.

 

[Darkness!]

Please remember your caste system while you're throwing stones.

There's a big difference between being opposed, or laughing at, a racial characteristic and a cultural one. You can choose not do be part of your birth culture.

Of course I know about the caste system. That is exactly my point. Greedy and grasping human beings will always fuck up a good thing. Please read up on what the original purpose of the caste system was intended for first though before referencing it.

Look at all the controversity the Christian Church is going through. The level of intolerance and hatred of anything unholy/unchristian/against God is fucking amazing! As if any of that was part the original message. Intolerant, bigoted, self important assholes in power will always seek to increase and solidify that so called power. Period.

Anyhow, this has nothing to do with tires. I'm out.

 

[Lionel Cosgrove]

For reference, to me, this was funny.



To me, ^^^THIS^^^ is just sadly uneducated typical old, crusty Caucasian cultural racism.



Yes, it does:

Rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/ noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
- prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism



(Sigh) Folks, gonna have to thread-jack here for a couple minutes, bear with me.

Budman JUST had a really well thought out thread about all this:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408157&highlight=Racism+barf


Z3n is on the money here...as a person from India who came as a young kid, I think as, and generally am, an American. But it does bug me that so many of you "Murica, fuck yeah" morons thinks it's hilarious to shit on, even in jest, so easily and casually other cultures that you know fuck all about. Do you even know what the dot is supposed to signify?!? If some Asian guy said something about all Christian crosses and the KKK, you idiots would be all up in arms and butthurt about it.

Before you get too proud about "Murican" culture...let me remind you about the systematic genocide and oppression of the Native peoples that were here before you. Stealing their lands. African American slavery and the indentured servitude (also slavery) of the Chinese who were used like people used canaries in mines when building the railroads (fuck it, there's always more a those damn chinks). And that doesn't even touch on what's currently happening in this country in regards to race and culture.

STOP FUCKING THROWING STONES FROM YOUR CRACKER ASS GLASS HOUSES!

(Don't like it? As a co worker says all the time, The truth hurts, only if you're a little bitch. So stop being a little bitch)

By all means, be proud of being an American, there are a LOT of things about this country to be proud of. You're feelings of the superiority of "your" culture is not one of them.

Realize too that the freedom you have right now to joke about and laugh about and look down on "those goddamn foreigners" was bought in large part by those very same people and cultures you're bitching about.
/end rant (back to your usual bitchfests)

you took a lame joke from one guy and turned it into an ugly rant directed at white people and americans in general. way to go

 

[Junkie]

Of course I know about the caste system. That is exactly my point. Greedy and grasping human beings will always fuck up a good thing. Please read up on what the original purpose of the caste system was intended for first though before referencing it.

Look at all the controversity the Christian Church is going through. The level of intolerance and hatred of anything unholy/unchristian/against God is fucking amazing! As if any of that was part the original message. Intolerant, bigoted, self important assholes in power will always seek to increase and solidify that so called power. Period.

Anyhow, this has nothing to do with tires. I'm out.

You were telling people in glass houses not to throw stones, while yourself in a glass house.

Did anyone ever say that all Indians have dots on their foreheads? No. Does that have anything to do with superiority? No. The joke may be in poor taste, but it doesn't really meet the definition of racism that you posted.

 

[Cincinnatus]

Of course I know about the caste system. That is exactly my point. Greedy and grasping human beings will always fuck up a good thing. Please read up on what the original purpose of the caste system was intended for first though before referencing it.

Look at all the controversity Islam is going through. The level of intolerance and hatred of anything unholy/unislamic/against Allah is fucking amazing! As if any of that was part the original message. Intolerant, bigoted, self important assholes in power will always seek to increase and solidify that so called power. Period.

Anyhow, this has nothing to do with tires. I'm out.

My Sikh friends would like a word with you, back in the alley.

Fixed the rest of it for you, too.

 

[L Scott]

Who said that? I'm just saying that
A: .... in that causal way that a lot of the older generation are crazy racist.





Here's a hint for those who are short of awareness or empathy: If you're making a broad generalization about a group in a negative light, maybe it's worthwhile to consider how that reflects to those that don't know you, and what it says about a group of people and the forum when they just let the casual age-ism fly.

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Relax
:

 

[Donelop]

Literally everything that you can buy is built in China these days, and often to more stringent standards than most can imagine.

ONLY valid point you've made is "Nobody's exactly sure why Chinese tires would be exponentially more difficult to bead." That's it. That's all the words required to make that point too. That means the six thousand other words you've written are garbage. And THIS QUOTE leads me to believe you've never read a newspaper in your life, from the endless saga of QC issues and slave labor over at Foxconn to MFGRS flooding steel, wood, and base material markets with falsely certified garbage. ALL it would take for a chinese tire to suck is for them to use a metal rim for the bead that isn't spec, but close enough to say "fuck it" to because it's cheaper... And profit margins over there are such that they pull crap like that ALL DAY.

 

[Cincinnatus]

And FWIW, Andrew Dice Clay's and CK are both funny in their own way. Clay was just a bit edgier, and if you look at his stuff on YT, he's a hoot. I can't take to much of him, but it's an ACT, with practiced jokes. Seriously, I've heard the same or worse in nightclubs in the NYC/NJ/Long Island area, and the guys there are exactly like that. Again, it's an ACT. He's probably a really nice guy when he's not performing as Andrew Dice Clay.

Anyway,

 

[Darkness!]

you took a lame joke from one guy and turned it into an ugly rant directed at white people and americans in general. way to go

Guy, what you see as a lame joke, I see as a lame attempt at a joke with uneducated, culturally stunted, passive aggressive racist overtones that I'm going to address. I'm tired of people using the, " I was just joking" bullshit excuse for casual racist commentary.

My rant wasn't at white people, it was at the idea that most Americans have that all other cultures are 'less than' somehow and that we (yeah me too, cuz I'm an American too) as a country are somehow 'better than' the rest of the world. We aren't better . Or worse. We're just one of the many different cultures of the world. As soon as we, as Americans realize that, the better off we'll be. Maybe then, and only then, we as a country can stop trying to overcompensate and actually listen to what others have to say. It might be educational and even enlightening.

I used the word cracker to make a point. Doesn't sit well with you does it? That is exactly the point I'm trying to drive home. It shouldn't be thrown around casually by anyone.

In the same vein, neither does it feel good to have people who know, as I said earlier, fuck all about my culture that I'm proud of, make references to it that are belittling. Granted, I'm not proud of every part of my birth culture. As junkie pointed out there are negative portions, but by and large, it is a culture of tolerance and acceptance. Now, you throw religion in the mix (in any culture) and it all turns to shit.

 

[Donelop]

I'm half chinese. It's established that all white people are the devil, so there's no fucks given about a stereotype joke. Wouldn't even care if some crotchety korean war vet wrote, "I don't want chinky mcchopsticks placing one yellow finger on my rubber." Which NOBODY even came close to saying. Not to mention the post in question wasn't from the OP and has zero bearing on this thread, so why is there an apologist's rant derailing this thread? Let's just move on already.

 

[fawndog]

Literally everything that you can buy is built in China these days, and often to more stringent standards than most can imagine. Like, literally every electronic device on the planet contains parts made in China. The machines that make the machines that make the tires are made in China.

The issues with getting stuff made in China are deeply cultural in terms of how they approach intellectual property, the relationship between government and commerce/industry, and a pile of other factors. At the end of the day, the goal of China is to usurp economic and political power from the US, and they aren't idiots - they're doing it, and doing it far better than most would realize or give them credit for. They are essentially trading up cheap trinket production into becoming an industrial powerhouse, and doing a damn good job of it. It's not any different from what Japan did all those years ago, except that they are much more well prepared to do it.

What do you know about getting things made in China? I'm talking personally here, and not about electronics (TV's and cell phones).

My experience is that there are good factories and not-good ones (+everything in between), and your product may not always get produced where you think it will. My friend's company had to literally post a employee in China to stay on top of them, they constantly were trying to ship out a inferior product than what was paid for.

I've personally inspected $7 million cranes and other equipment "fresh off the boat". You'd probably not expect the bottom of the barrel quality, but that's what arrived. To constantly have problems with the equipment and then their support (lack of) speaks volumes.

I don't trust their business culture and for good reason.
So sure they make a good TV, but until the skies are full of Chinese airliners, I'm going to continue to be skeptical Chinese made products.

 

[Junkie]

As junkie pointed out there are negative portions, but by and large, it is a culture of tolerance and acceptance.

Plenty of rape in there too.

Some cultures are qualitatively better than others. Cultures that see women as barely more than animals (I'm not saying yours does) are inferior. Cultures that think it's their right to leech off others are inferior.

 

[HeatXfer]

For reference, to me, this was funny.



To me, ^^^THIS^^^ is just sadly uneducated typical old, crusty Caucasian cultural racism.



Yes, it does:

Rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/ noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
- prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism



(Sigh) Folks, gonna have to thread-jack here for a couple minutes, bear with me.

Budman JUST had a really well thought out thread about all this:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408157&highlight=Racism+barf


Z3n is on the money here...as a person from India who came as a young kid, I think as, and generally am, an American. But it does bug me that so many of you "Murica, fuck yeah" morons thinks it's hilarious to shit on, even in jest, so easily and casually other cultures that you know fuck all about. Do you even know what the dot is supposed to signify?!? If some Asian guy said something about all Christian crosses and the KKK, you idiots would be all up in arms and butthurt about it.

Before you get too proud about "Murican" culture...let me remind you about the systematic genocide and oppression of the Native peoples that were here before you. Stealing their lands. African American slavery and the indentured servitude (also slavery) of the Chinese who were used like people used canaries in mines when building the railroads (fuck it, there's always more a those damn chinks). And that doesn't even touch on what's currently happening in this country in regards to race and culture.

STOP FUCKING THROWING STONES FROM YOUR CRACKER ASS GLASS HOUSES!

(Don't like it? As a co worker says all the time, The truth hurts, only if you're a little bitch. So stop being a little bitch)

By all means, be proud of being an American, there are a LOT of things about this country to be proud of. You're feelings of the superiority of "your" culture is not one of them.

Realize too that the freedom you have right now to joke about and laugh about and look down on "those goddamn foreigners" was bought in large part by those very same people and cultures you're bitching about.
/end rant (back to your usual bitchfests)

LOL - Welcome to the world. EVERY culture shits on every other culture in one way or another.

And you've got that a little sideways: Many people and cultures are here because of our freedoms. I haven't read anything in these posts about "proud Americans". Looks like you're just as bad as those you're throwing stones at.

 

[Darkness!]

LOL - Welcome to the world. EVERY culture shits on every other culture in one way or another.

And you've got that a little sideways: Many people and cultures are here because of our freedoms. I haven't read anything in these posts about "proud Americans". Looks like you're just as bad as those you're throwing stones at.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions. And opinions are like assholes aren't they? However Robbie is, I believe speaking rather factually from many years experience about tires and from the practical knowledge of having put a helluva lot of tire/wheel combinations.

 

[Stormdragon]

So! About tire sizes...

 

[corndog67]

For reference, to me, this was funny.



To me, ^^^THIS^^^ is just sadly uneducated typical old, crusty Caucasian cultural racism.



Yes, it does:

Rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/ noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
- prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism



(Sigh) Folks, gonna have to thread-jack here for a couple minutes, bear with me.

Budman JUST had a really well thought out thread about all this:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408157&highlight=Racism+barf


Z3n is on the money here...as a person from India who came as a young kid, I think as, and generally am, an American. But it does bug me that so many of you "Murica, fuck yeah" morons thinks it's hilarious to shit on, even in jest, so easily and casually other cultures that you know fuck all about. Do you even know what the dot is supposed to signify?!? If some Asian guy said something about all Christian crosses and the KKK, you idiots would be all up in arms and butthurt about it.

Before you get too proud about "Murican" culture...let me remind you about the systematic genocide and oppression of the Native peoples that were here before you. Stealing their lands. African American slavery and the indentured servitude (also slavery) of the Chinese who were used like people used canaries in mines when building the railroads (fuck it, there's always more a those damn chinks). And that doesn't even touch on what's currently happening in this country in regards to race and culture.

STOP FUCKING THROWING STONES FROM YOUR CRACKER ASS GLASS HOUSES!

(Don't like it? As a co worker says all the time, The truth hurts, only if you're a little bitch. So stop being a little bitch)

By all means, be proud of being an American, there are a LOT of things about this country to be proud of. You're feelings of the superiority of "your" culture is not one of them.

Realize too that the freedom you have right now to joke about and laugh about and look down on "those goddamn foreigners" was bought in large part by those very same people and cultures you're bitching about.
/end rant (back to your usual bitchfests)

Of course I know about the caste system. That is exactly my point. Greedy and grasping human beings will always fuck up a good thing. Please read up on what the original purpose of the caste system was intended for first though before referencing it.

Look at all the controversity the Christian Church is going through. The level of intolerance and hatred of anything unholy/unchristian/against God is fucking amazing! As if any of that was part the original message. Intolerant, bigoted, self important assholes in power will always seek to increase and solidify that so called power. Period.

Anyhow, this has nothing to do with tires. I'm out.

Guy, what you see as a lame joke, I see as a lame attempt at a joke with uneducated, culturally stunted, passive aggressive racist overtones that I'm going to address. I'm tired of people using the, " I was just joking" bullshit excuse for casual racist commentary.

My rant wasn't at white people, it was at the idea that most Americans have that all other cultures are 'less than' somehow and that we (yeah me too, cuz I'm an American too) as a country are somehow 'better than' the rest of the world. We aren't better . Or worse. We're just one of the many different cultures of the world. As soon as we, as Americans realize that, the better off we'll be. Maybe then, and only then, we as a country can stop trying to overcompensate and actually listen to what others have to say. It might be educational and even enlightening.

I used the word cracker to make a point. Doesn't sit well with you does it? That is exactly the point I'm trying to drive home. It shouldn't be thrown around casually by anyone.

In the same vein, neither does it feel good to have people who know, as I said earlier, fuck all about my culture that I'm proud of, make references to it that are belittling. Granted, I'm not proud of every part of my birth culture. As junkie pointed out there are negative portions, but by and large, it is a culture of tolerance and acceptance. Now, you throw religion in the mix (in any culture) and it all turns to shit.

When you come back with "most Americans" have some idea that we have a better way of life, or are somehow superior, you are accusing "most Americans" of being racist, or at least, racially insensitive. Cracker, hmm, nice. You are showing a lot of intolerance towards Americans, even though you claim to be one. You are also making an assumption that most Americans are ignorant, are racists, and feel and show that they are superior. You know, not everybody is Rush Limbaugh or David Duke. You mentioned the way the Chinese were treated here when they first arrived, and black slavery. That ended quite a while back in this country. But they still use child/slave labor in China. Africa also, if I'm not mistaken. But you feel a need to bring it up, even though we've gotten past it in the US. And to get all bent out of shape by a joke? Doesn't seem to bother you with the cracker comment, doesn't bother me a bit. But everyone else is off limits?

A couple of previous responses were correct. You are pretty comfortable putting "most Americans" into the ignorant, racist category, but seem put off by anyone else doing it. And you seem to feel your attitude about it, is superior to "most Americans". Is it?

You mentioned systematic genocide and oppression. Isn't that what is happening, currently, in India, China, Africa, to the darker skinned people? You know, the ones that aren't worth as much as the lighter ones? Maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it really is "heaven on earth" in those countries, on that continent.

 

[Z3n]

When you come back with "most Americans" have some idea that we have a better way of life, or are somehow superior, you are accusing "most Americans" of being racist, or at least, racially insensitive. Cracker, hmm, nice. You are showing a lot of intolerance towards Americans, even though you claim to be one. You are also making an assumption that most Americans are ignorant, are racists, and feel and show that they are superior. You know, not everybody is Rush Limbaugh or David Duke. You mentioned the way the Chinese were treated here when they first arrived, and black slavery. That ended quite a while back in this country. But they still use child/slave labor in China. Africa also, if I'm not mistaken. But you feel a need to bring it up, even though we've gotten past it in the US. And to get all bent out of shape by a joke? Doesn't seem to bother you with the cracker comment, doesn't bother me a bit. But everyone else is off limits?

A couple of previous responses were correct. You are pretty comfortable putting "most Americans" into the ignorant, racist category, but seem put off by anyone else doing it. And you seem to feel your attitude about it, is superior to "most Americans". Is it?

You mentioned systematic genocide and oppression. Isn't that what is happening, currently, in India, China, Africa, to the darker skinned people? You know, the ones that aren't worth as much as the lighter ones? Maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it really is "heaven on earth" in those countries, on that continent.

He's comfortable putting most of the members in this forum in the "racist" or at least "unaware of how racist they are" because of all the words written in defense of racist posts.

Here's a hint: Everyone is racist. It's a struggle you live with, because society is filled with, and controlled by, total fucking assholes who have a vested interest in avoiding sharing any of their wealth, power, and political capital, and things like racism, sexism, and all the other bullshit is pretty useful in keeping folks focusing on unimportant bullshit like the color of the person's skin rather than what value they can contribute to society or others.

When someone says "hey, that fucking shit is racist", the realities are the responses either boil down to "fuck you, I'm a racist and I'm right" or "Ah, shit, I didn't think about how that could be racist, sorry man".

There's not really an inbetween. Being all "BUT YOUR CULTURE ISN"T PERFECT EITHER BRO" is just a stupid red herring that's both completely true, totally irrelevant, and means you're just defending racist bullshit by throwing more racist bullshit at it.

He tried to make a point, getting other people to empathize with what it's like to be the victims of racist behavior, and didn't do the greatest job of it, it's not an easy thing to do on the internet. Shrug. But the amount of vitriol pointed his way for trying to do the right thing, point out that that sort of stuff has a much larger impact on some folks, people that we'd probably enjoy having as a part of our community, shows how far a lot of folks have to go to reach the boundary of "not being a shithead to others".

I will freely admit that calling me a nigger is completely fucking meaningless, because I have none of the cultural history that comes with that - my family wasn't property, my family doesn't live in a lower socio-economic status due to a significant handicap in terms of historical racial wealth and power, I've never lived in a food desert, I've never not been called back for a job because of the color of my skin, or my name. I don't worry about getting shot by the cops during a traffic stop. The default reaction people have to me isn't "threatened due to the color of my skin". None of those things are a reality for me on a day to day basis.

But if you called someone who does live those experiences a nigger, you would be reminding them that you have that power over them - that you are a part of that which keeps them from getting jobs, that you support that sort of intolerance and bigotry based off of nothing more than what a bunch of idiots in the past did, and the continuation of the sins of our fathers. That you believe that the society that treats them that way is just and justified.

I can appreciate that the last thing you want to see when you're going off at the end of the day to read about motorcyclist and shit is some asshole slinging around racist comments like a child, reminding you of the additional barriers you have to overcome in order to simply keep existing on a day to day basis, and that that would make you feel unwelcome.

Making racial slurs is a shitty thing to do to people. It's a shitty assumption to make that everyone who reads the posts is just totally cool with your racist bullshit. You want to play in a public forum, expect to be held to a standard of accountability around the experiences of those you share that space with. You don't like it? Well, stormfront is just a URL away, they're your people.

Is what I described more extreme than what Louemc intended in his post? Maybe, maybe not. But the truth is, there's no way to understand what his intent is, and frankly, the people who would be driven away by it aren't going to start shit about it. They're just going to quietly walk away, like they did the rest of the time people they thought were their friends started in on the racist bullshit. That's how it fucking works. Find someone who's lived it who trusts you, and ask them about it. You're probably not going to like the answers, though.

What do you know about getting things made in China? I'm talking personally here, and not about electronics (TV's and cell phones).

My experience is that there are good factories and not-good ones (+everything in between), and your product may not always get produced where you think it will. My friend's company had to literally post a employee in China to stay on top of them, they constantly were trying to ship out a inferior product than what was paid for.

I've personally inspected $7 million cranes and other equipment "fresh off the boat". You'd probably not expect the bottom of the barrel quality, but that's what arrived. To constantly have problems with the equipment and then their support (lack of) speaks volumes.

I don't trust their business culture and for good reason.
So sure they make a good TV, but until the skies are full of Chinese airliners, I'm going to continue to be skeptical Chinese made products.

Pirelli pulled in 6.5 billion in 2013, so 7 million dollar cranes aren't exactly what they're looking for: they're building their own facilities, staffed by their own people, taking advantage of inexpensive power, buildings, and other supplies available in china because they pretty much don't give a fuck about environmentalism or the rest of it.

And I don't personally have a need to get stuff built in China, but I know a number of folks who run businesses entirely off of Chinese manufacturing, using them for rapid prototyping, and a pile of other stuff. You are completely correct in that the quality you get depends on how you manage your relationship with them, but that's true of literally anywhere in the modern world. You design, QC, and apply resources to the problem appropriately, and you will get good product out of anywhere, including China. Plenty of companies get excellent results out there, and frankly, I think it's insane to think a company that clears 6.5 billion in business a year isn't going to understand the basics of working with foreign labor.

Piles of those chinese made parts are in our airliners already. They just have a different business culture where they're happy to be the supply chain, rather than the name on the billboard.