A Pox On Metzeler/Pirelli And Their Made In China Tires

[Junkie]

The issue that I had with his posts is that he threw stones while telling people who live in glass houses not to throw stones... and India certainly qualifies as a glass house.

 

[Z3n]

In the same way that I'm not guilty of what my ancestors did, but I'm still responsible for making it better because I consider myself a decent human being, bringing up the fact that his culture is racist too is simply taking the easy dodge.

As I said, he did a poor job of making his point, but none of that mitigates the original shitty behavior that got us here, and pointing out that he has some hippocracy in his post just shields the original racism that kicked off the rant.

I wasn't kidding when I said everyone has internalized racism. That's what makes it so shitty.

 

[Bad Santa]

God damn it. I just bought a set of Diablo Rosso IIs on RevZilla, literally today. I wish I had read this thread 24 hours ago.

Also, how did a thread about tire sizes and which makes and models of tires are harder than others to mount turn into a big food fight about racism?

Barf...laughing

 

[Z3n]

Because old folks sometimes can't go out in public without making racist comments.

 

[Donelop]

 

[Karbon]

K. Shoed on the 120/70 17" front on the tard. Used RU glyde for lube. One bead seated at 45lb psi and the other at 60. I gues thats just what my tubed 17" want ti seat. A little scary, mostly because you hear the classic car tire "snap" as the bead seats instead of the mellow "puunggg". Install went well as usual.

 

[corndog67]

He's comfortable putting most of the members in this forum in the "racist" or at least "unaware of how racist they are" because of all the words written in defense of racist posts.

Here's a hint: Everyone is racist. It's a struggle you live with, because society is filled with, and controlled by, total fucking assholes who have a vested interest in avoiding sharing any of their wealth, power, and political capital, and things like racism, sexism, and all the other bullshit is pretty useful in keeping folks focusing on unimportant bullshit like the color of the person's skin rather than what value they can contribute to society or others.

When someone says "hey, that fucking shit is racist", the realities are the responses either boil down to "fuck you, I'm a racist and I'm right" or "Ah, shit, I didn't think about how that could be racist, sorry man".

There's not really an inbetween. Being all "BUT YOUR CULTURE ISN"T PERFECT EITHER BRO" is just a stupid red herring that's both completely true, totally irrelevant, and means you're just defending racist bullshit by throwing more racist bullshit at it.

He tried to make a point, getting other people to empathize with what it's like to be the victims of racist behavior, and didn't do the greatest job of it, it's not an easy thing to do on the internet. Shrug. But the amount of vitriol pointed his way for trying to do the right thing, point out that that sort of stuff has a much larger impact on some folks, people that we'd probably enjoy having as a part of our community, shows how far a lot of folks have to go to reach the boundary of "not being a shithead to others".

I will freely admit that calling me a nigger is completely fucking meaningless, because I have none of the cultural history that comes with that - my family wasn't property, my family doesn't live in a lower socio-economic status due to a significant handicap in terms of historical racial wealth and power, I've never lived in a food desert, I've never not been called back for a job because of the color of my skin, or my name. I don't worry about getting shot by the cops during a traffic stop. The default reaction people have to me isn't "threatened due to the color of my skin". None of those things are a reality for me on a day to day basis.

But if you called someone who does live those experiences a nigger, you would be reminding them that you have that power over them - that you are a part of that which keeps them from getting jobs, that you support that sort of intolerance and bigotry based off of nothing more than what a bunch of idiots in the past did, and the continuation of the sins of our fathers. That you believe that the society that treats them that way is just and justified.

I can appreciate that the last thing you want to see when you're going off at the end of the day to read about motorcyclist and shit is some asshole slinging around racist comments like a child, reminding you of the additional barriers you have to overcome in order to simply keep existing on a day to day basis, and that that would make you feel unwelcome.

Making racial slurs is a shitty thing to do to people. It's a shitty assumption to make that everyone who reads the posts is just totally cool with your racist bullshit. You want to play in a public forum, expect to be held to a standard of accountability around the experiences of those you share that space with. You don't like it? Well, stormfront is just a URL away, they're your people.

Is what I described more extreme than what Louemc intended in his post? Maybe, maybe not. But the truth is, there's no way to understand what his intent is, and frankly, the people who would be driven away by it aren't going to start shit about it. They're just going to quietly walk away, like they did the rest of the time people they thought were their friends started in on the racist bullshit. That's how it fucking works. Find someone who's lived it who trusts you, and ask them about it. You're probably not going to like the answers, though.



Pirelli pulled in 6.5 billion in 2013, so 7 million dollar cranes aren't exactly what they're looking for: they're building their own facilities, staffed by their own people, taking advantage of inexpensive power, buildings, and other supplies available in china because they pretty much don't give a fuck about environmentalism or the rest of it.

And I don't personally have a need to get stuff built in China, but I know a number of folks who run businesses entirely off of Chinese manufacturing, using them for rapid prototyping, and a pile of other stuff. You are completely correct in that the quality you get depends on how you manage your relationship with them, but that's true of literally anywhere in the modern world. You design, QC, and apply resources to the problem appropriately, and you will get good product out of anywhere, including China. Plenty of companies get excellent results out there, and frankly, I think it's insane to think a company that clears 6.5 billion in business a year isn't going to understand the basics of working with foreign labor.

Piles of those chinese made parts are in our airliners already. They just have a different business culture where they're happy to be the supply chain, rather than the name on the billboard.

While I can empathize with what you are saying, I don't necessarily agree with most of it.
I don't label someone as a "shithead" if they make an offhand comment with (what you take as) a racial slur. A lot of these comments, or jokes, make fun of a stereotypical behavior of a certain segment of society. It kind of sounds like you view most of the people on BARF, as shitheads, since they don't make a big stink about some jokes, that may or may not be racist. But as you said, it is a racist world.

Equating someone making a borderline racial comment, and nobody saying anything to refute it, to going onto Stormfront is a pretty big stretch. And also, when people don't jump on the poster, to being part of the problem, well, I definitely don't agree with that. To me, this political correctness, being afraid to say something that might be construed as racist, no matter what your intent, does nothing to advance any tolerance in society. If you try hard enough, you can find racism, sexism or homophobia every where you look. Being hypersensitive to it all, doesn't seem constructive at all. You aren't going to change people.

The way I see it, your actions speak much more about your racial sensitivites, than an offhand joke. When you said, making a racial comment (or calling someone a nigger, something I've never done, and don't see it ever happening), you remind them that you have power over them, well, I don't have any power over anyone, and I don't consider anyone to have any power over me. Someone only has power over you if you let them. When it comes to hiring someone, the best qualified gets the job.

In the end, it's a motorcycle forum. If you take it as it is, that is, a bunch of goofy bastards making jokes about pretty much anything, it's a damn good place. If you choose to be offended by everyone that say something off color, whether racist, sexist, homophobic, etc., you'll just be pissed off all the time, and probably label everyone here as a shithead. Even the worst, most racist joking, sexist, homophobic "shithead" on here, would probably drop everything they were doing at the moment, to come and give someone a ride home if their bike died. No matter who was requesting it. I'm sure of it. Again, actions speak louder than words.

 

[Sharky]

While I can empathize with what you are saying, I don't necessarily agree with most of it.
I don't label someone as a "shithead" if they make an offhand comment with (what you take as) a racial slur. A lot of these comments, or jokes, make fun of a stereotypical behavior of a certain segment of society. It kind of sounds like you view most of the people on BARF, as shitheads, since they don't make a big stink about some jokes, that may or may not be racist. But as you said, it is a racist world.

Equating someone making a borderline racial comment, and nobody saying anything to refute it, to going onto Stormfront is a pretty big stretch. And also, when people don't jump on the poster, to being part of the problem, well, I definitely don't agree with that. To me, this political correctness, being afraid to say something that might be construed as racist, no matter what your intent, does nothing to advance any tolerance in society. If you try hard enough, you can find racism, sexism or homophobia every where you look. Being hypersensitive to it all, doesn't seem constructive at all. You aren't going to change people.

The way I see it, your actions speak much more about your racial sensitivites, than an offhand joke. When you said, making a racial comment (or calling someone a nigger, something I've never done, and don't see it ever happening), you remind them that you have power over them, well, I don't have any power over anyone, and I don't consider anyone to have any power over me. Someone only has power over you if you let them. When it comes to hiring someone, the best qualified gets the job.

In the end, it's a motorcycle forum. If you take it as it is, that is, a bunch of goofy bastards making jokes about pretty much anything, it's a damn good place. If you choose to be offended by everyone that say something off color, whether racist, sexist, homophobic, etc., you'll just be pissed off all the time, and probably label everyone here as a shithead. Even the worst, most racist joking, sexist, homophobic "shithead" on here, would probably drop everything they were doing at the moment, to come and give someone a ride home if their bike died. No matter who was requesting it. I'm sure of it. Again, actions speak louder than words.

Well said Mister Dog

 

[fawndog]

You are completely correct in that the quality you get depends on how you manage your relationship with them, but that's true of literally anywhere in the modern world. You design, QC, and apply resources to the problem appropriately, and you will get good product out of anywhere, including China.

The degree of having to manage is the problem. Getting something made of quality in Japan, is light years better than getting it made in China (where the propensity to rip you off is high). Shit, ripping off seems like China's main business model.

I think it's insane to think a company that clears 6.5 billion in business a year isn't going to understand the basics of working with foreign labor.

It isn't that, I'm sure they understand it all too well. As far as I'm concerned Pirelli quality and name recognition was sold to China as much as Chinese manufacturing was sold to Pirelli. Jingoism no, but I am anti-shit-manufacturers, like China, Mexico, and Russia.

 

[Z3n]

The degree of having to manage is the problem. Getting something made of quality in Japan, is light years better than getting it made in China (where the propensity to rip you off is high). Shit, ripping off seems like China's main business model.


It isn't that, I'm sure they understand it all too well. As far as I'm concerned Pirelli quality and name recognition was sold to China as much as Chinese manufacturing was sold to Pirelli. Jingoism no, but I am anti-shit-manufacturers, like China, Mexico, and Russia.

I just figure that everything is about how much work goes into it - I'm assuming, maybe wrongly, that Pirelli isn't going to trash their global reputation by doing something like that, especially considering how bad the backlash of blown tires can be.

While I can empathize with what you are saying, I don't necessarily agree with most of it.
I don't label someone as a "shithead" if they make an offhand comment with (what you take as) a racial slur. A lot of these comments, or jokes, make fun of a stereotypical behavior of a certain segment of society. It kind of sounds like you view most of the people on BARF, as shitheads, since they don't make a big stink about some jokes, that may or may not be racist. But as you said, it is a racist world.

I want to believe that most BARFers are decent people who haven't paid attention to why a racial joke might have a larger impact on someone than they expected.

Equating someone making a borderline racial comment, and nobody saying anything to refute it, to going onto Stormfront is a pretty big stretch. And also, when people don't jump on the poster, to being part of the problem, well, I definitely don't agree with that. To me, this political correctness, being afraid to say something that might be construed as racist, no matter what your intent, does nothing to advance any tolerance in society. If you try hard enough, you can find racism, sexism or homophobia every where you look. Being hypersensitive to it all, doesn't seem constructive at all. You aren't going to change people.

If you're afraid to say something, maybe it's because part of you recognizes that that isn't a nice thing to say. You don't need to look hard to find the racism, sexism, or homophobia. In this thread, louemc vounteered it. Those are just random posts you can pass over because they don't affect you, but they do affect others, and those others are unlikely to speak up about it, and are much more likely to just leave.

"You aren't going to change people" isn't backed up by reality. The world has changed dramatically in the last few decades. Gay people can get married legally. Pot is getting legalized. It's no longer ok to just beat gay people to death because they're gay. An interracial couple can walk through most cities and not have a pile of racial slurs thrown at them (although, sadly, not all cities...). Those are changes that people have made by standing up for everything from the big stuff to the little changes, the small changes where all of the sudden every day americans just weren't ok with gay people being beaten to death for their sexual orientation anymore. And that conversation started with a million individual conversations, maybe some that started with "that homophobic post you made was sort of shitty, dude".

The way I see it, your actions speak much more about your racial sensitivites, than an offhand joke. When you said, making a racial comment (or calling someone a nigger, something I've never done, and don't see it ever happening), you remind them that you have power over them, well, I don't have any power over anyone, and I don't consider anyone to have any power over me. Someone only has power over you if you let them. When it comes to hiring someone, the best qualified gets the job.

This is going to come off harsher than I mean it to, but this is a painfully naive view of the world. For a simple example:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

If the best qualified is hired, why do people with minority names get fewer callbacks than those with white names? Why does a better resume not have as great an affect on callbacks when it's paired with a minority name?
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

It's because of subtle, bullshit biases, that in aggregate have a massive effect on society and individuals within society, in everything from hiring to how uncertain a cop is going to be of your motivations when he pulls you over.

The idea that "someone only has power over you if you let them" - the wealthy, the powerful, and the connected have massive power over all of us, and the idea that we can think away the impact of that on the world is just absurd.

The fact that you believe you don't have power over others is actually part of the power that you have - you think about the racial dynamics of the world in terms of things you have to be nice about, not things that are going to affect you day in, day out, if you like it or not. For an example of the difference you should read this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/questlove-trayvon-martin-and-i-aint-shit.html

Try and set everything else that might be tied up in this conversation aside, and just read it. I'll buy all the drinks you can drink if we end up meeting in person and you tell me about how reading it made you feel.

In the end, it's a motorcycle forum. If you take it as it is, that is, a bunch of goofy bastards making jokes about pretty much anything, it's a damn good place. If you choose to be offended by everyone that say something off color, whether racist, sexist, homophobic, etc., you'll just be pissed off all the time, and probably label everyone here as a shithead. Even the worst, most racist joking, sexist, homophobic "shithead" on here, would probably drop everything they were doing at the moment, to come and give someone a ride home if their bike died. No matter who was requesting it. I'm sure of it. Again, actions speak louder than words.

Feel free to make jokes, just make sure that if your jokes are about race, make sure they're gonna make your audience laugh, not leave. Also, did you ever consider that some of those jokes might make those people not feel like they can reach out for that help that is part of what makes this site great?

If someone's been casually tossing around racial remarks towards your ethnicity - do you want to get picked up by those people? Do you want to gamble that it was just a joke? What if you can't afford that tow, and you could really use that help - now you're gambling that the guy that comes to get you isn't a racist who now knows where you live. Is that really what BARF stands for?

I'd also point out that "was she hot" and other aggressive leghumping behavior has dropped out of favor to a large degree on BARF because people have realized that it's sort of a shitty thing to say when a bunch of the very well respected members of BARF are women, and casually tossing around demeaning phrases isn't exactly how we should treat each other.

 

[nbean16]

Some overly sensitive and moronic pansies in this thread. Calling out racism and using the term cracker...embarrassing.

 

[oaklandish]

where are Q3's made? I ask because I change my own and my friends tires myself and never had a problem getting them to seat until my buddy brought over some Q3's. first and only time I had to use a tie down.

side note: ever since dunlop put out a few VERY shitty lines of tires that come stock on many bikes I decided I can't buy their stuff... for now.

 

[GreenMagic]

Hey! I had problems getting my Q3s to seat as well. I had to bounce the hell out of them and inflate them to 60-70 psi.
As a side note I've got about 7000 miles on them I think, and they probably need to be replaced soon.
Oh, and allegedly they are made in America.

 

[Donelop]

Q3's are a bitch because of the super stiff carbon fiber sidewalls. Its as hard to deform a q3 as a touring tire. Angel gt is much softer. I have to spoon the q3 on. 7k is impressive. I put a new set on in january, did abou 2500 in winter riding and the rear is done.

And guys, stop feeding the troll.

 

[elskipador]

where are Q3's made?.

the majority are made in buffalo, NY, but they also have manufactoring plants in france, england & japan, though last year the race shop in england was closed.

 

[Reli]

Some serious tl;dr up in this bitch.

 

[corndog67]

I just figure that everything is about how much work goes into it - I'm assuming, maybe wrongly, that Pirelli isn't going to trash their global reputation by doing something like that, especially considering how bad the backlash of blown tires can be.



I want to believe that most BARFers are decent people who haven't paid attention to why a racial joke might have a larger impact on someone than they expected.



If you're afraid to say something, maybe it's because part of you recognizes that that isn't a nice thing to say. You don't need to look hard to find the racism, sexism, or homophobia. In this thread, louemc vounteered it. Those are just random posts you can pass over because they don't affect you, but they do affect others, and those others are unlikely to speak up about it, and are much more likely to just leave.

"You aren't going to change people" isn't backed up by reality. The world has changed dramatically in the last few decades. Gay people can get married legally. Pot is getting legalized. It's no longer ok to just beat gay people to death because they're gay. An interracial couple can walk through most cities and not have a pile of racial slurs thrown at them (although, sadly, not all cities...). Those are changes that people have made by standing up for everything from the big stuff to the little changes, the small changes where all of the sudden every day americans just weren't ok with gay people being beaten to death for their sexual orientation anymore. And that conversation started with a million individual conversations, maybe some that started with "that homophobic post you made was sort of shitty, dude".



This is going to come off harsher than I mean it to, but this is a painfully naive view of the world. For a simple example:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

If the best qualified is hired, why do people with minority names get fewer callbacks than those with white names? Why does a better resume not have as great an affect on callbacks when it's paired with a minority name?
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

It's because of subtle, bullshit biases, that in aggregate have a massive effect on society and individuals within society, in everything from hiring to how uncertain a cop is going to be of your motivations when he pulls you over.

The idea that "someone only has power over you if you let them" - the wealthy, the powerful, and the connected have massive power over all of us, and the idea that we can think away the impact of that on the world is just absurd.

The fact that you believe you don't have power over others is actually part of the power that you have - you think about the racial dynamics of the world in terms of things you have to be nice about, not things that are going to affect you day in, day out, if you like it or not. For an example of the difference you should read this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/questlove-trayvon-martin-and-i-aint-shit.html

Try and set everything else that might be tied up in this conversation aside, and just read it. I'll buy all the drinks you can drink if we end up meeting in person and you tell me about how reading it made you feel.



Feel free to make jokes, just make sure that if your jokes are about race, make sure they're gonna make your audience laugh, not leave. Also, did you ever consider that some of those jokes might make those people not feel like they can reach out for that help that is part of what makes this site great?

If someone's been casually tossing around racial remarks towards your ethnicity - do you want to get picked up by those people? Do you want to gamble that it was just a joke? What if you can't afford that tow, and you could really use that help - now you're gambling that the guy that comes to get you isn't a racist who now knows where you live. Is that really what BARF stands for?

I'd also point out that "was she hot" and other aggressive leghumping behavior has dropped out of favor to a large degree on BARF because people have realized that it's sort of a shitty thing to say when a bunch of the very well respected members of BARF are women, and casually tossing around demeaning phrases isn't exactly how we should treat each other.

OK, one last response, the shitheads are getting irritated.

Regarding people having power over you, I disagree completely. You don't like my ethnicity? Being Hapa (half Japanese), I've come across people that absolutely hated Japanese people. They've stated that. But, the only power that they might have over me, would only be if I let them. The only problem is theirs, not mine. They have no power over me.. I think that worrying about what others think of you, because of some comment they might have made, is a shitty way to live. Roll with it. Get over it. If someone makes a joke about something, I don't automatically equate them with being a racist. That's a little too judgemental for me.

Racist on BARF finding out where you live? Paranoia. Afraid to call for help because someone made a joke about Indians or blacks or Hispanics? Do you go outside, it might be dangerous out there.

I've not come across employers that would just drop someone off the list to hire because of their last name. And I haven't had anyone tell me they didn't get the job because their last name was Yee, or Wong, or Garcia. It might happen somewhere, but not in CA, we've got a pretty broad cross section of peoples here, and every employer I've ever had would hire anyone that would make them some money. Although I do know a few shop owners that won't hire Muslims. Or Jehovah's.

Motorcycle forum. Lots of jokes about someone's mom being hot. Or Asian drivers. Or comments about illegals aliens being uninsured. It doesn't seem to be lightening up at all.

And to be perfectly frank, it doesn't bother me at all. I think you are being oversensitive about this. So far, close to 100%, of the people I've come across here, everyone has been great. Labeling people as shitheads, for a comment they have made, a joke or maybe not a joke, is extremely judgemental, and the only thing I could see that doing, is making someone less likely to want anyone to have anything to do with you. Again, actions speak much louder.

Dunlop Q3s are awesome. Best street tires I've ever run.

 

[Junkie]

Sadly, illegal aliens being uninsured is no joke.

 

[Z3n]

OK, one last response, the shitheads are getting irritated.

Regarding people having power over you, I disagree completely. You don't like my ethnicity? Being Hapa (half Japanese), I've come across people that absolutely hated Japanese people. They've stated that. But, the only power that they might have over me, would only be if I let them. The only problem is theirs, not mine. They have no power over me.. I think that worrying about what others think of you, because of some comment they might have made, is a shitty way to live. Roll with it. Get over it. If someone makes a joke about something, I don't automatically equate them with being a racist. That's a little too judgemental for me.

That's assuming you and those you interact with have equal power in any given situation. If that person who hates japanese people is the boss at a place you're applying for a job at, they're probably not going to hire you. All the mental gymnastics about how you didn't need that job or whatever else is just lying to yourself.

Racist on BARF finding out where you live? Paranoia. Afraid to call for help because someone made a joke about Indians or blacks or Hispanics? Do you go outside, it might be dangerous out there.

You're the one who brought up how the place is great and everyone offers their help, I'm just pointing out that if you're a minority/woman, and someone commonly posts stuff that's degrading to your ethnicity or women, you have to judge if it was just a joke or they're actually racist/sexist when you accept help from them. 9 times out of 10, it's probably just a joke, that 1 time out of 10, well, you just got yourself in a really shitty, potentially dangerous situation.

I've not come across employers that would just drop someone off the list to hire because of their last name. And I haven't had anyone tell me they didn't get the job because their last name was Yee, or Wong, or Garcia. It might happen somewhere, but not in CA, we've got a pretty broad cross section of peoples here, and every employer I've ever had would hire anyone that would make them some money. Although I do know a few shop owners that won't hire Muslims. Or Jehovah's.

Did you ever consider that there's a whole class of jobs you don't even qualify for because you're half Japanese, so of course you wouldn't see that sort of racism, because you don't get those jobs in the first place? You can see the discrimination against Muslims or Jehovahs, but don't realize the reason you see that but not the discrimination against other people is because you wouldn't be working for those people?

That study sent out 5000 resumes, and looked at the trends across all of those resumes, so it's pretty much impossible to ignore the results. There's also loads of other studies on the same thing that have showed the same results with women and any other minority group you can think of.

Motorcycle forum. Lots of jokes about someone's mom being hot. Or Asian drivers. Or comments about illegals aliens being uninsured. It doesn't seem to be lightening up at all.

And to be perfectly frank, it doesn't bother me at all. I think you are being oversensitive about this. So far, close to 100%, of the people I've come across here, everyone has been great. Labeling people as shitheads, for a comment they have made, a joke or maybe not a joke, is extremely judgemental, and the only thing I could see that doing, is making someone less likely to want anyone to have anything to do with you. Again, actions speak much louder.

Dunlop Q3s are awesome. Best street tires I've ever run.

That's great that you have had good experiences with BARF, but I've talked to plenty of people where that isn't the case at all. Most of them no longer post here, because they got tired of people demeaning their experiences around sexism or racism.

Actions speak loudly, and choosing to post racist slurs in public is an action. Someone who takes the time to type out a racist post, thinks about it, and then hits submit - I'd rather spend my time with people who show a little more respect to others.

Sadly, illegal aliens being uninsured is no joke.

Agreed, that's why I have a massive UIM policy. Feel free to call a spade a spade, just don't be an asshole about it.

 

[corndog67]

That's assuming you and those you interact with have equal power in any given situation. If that person who hates japanese people is the boss at a place you're applying for a job at, they're probably not going to hire you. All the mental gymnastics about how you didn't need that job or whatever else is just lying to yourself.



You're the one who brought up how the place is great and everyone offers their help, I'm just pointing out that if you're a minority/woman, and someone commonly posts stuff that's degrading to your ethnicity or women, you have to judge if it was just a joke or they're actually racist/sexist when you accept help from them. 9 times out of 10, it's probably just a joke, that 1 time out of 10, well, you just got yourself in a really shitty, potentially dangerous situation.



Did you ever consider that there's a whole class of jobs you don't even qualify for because you're half Japanese, so of course you wouldn't see that sort of racism, because you don't get those jobs in the first place? You can see the discrimination against Muslims or Jehovahs, but don't realize the reason you see that but not the discrimination against other people is because you wouldn't be working for those people?

That study sent out 5000 resumes, and looked at the trends across all of those resumes, so it's pretty much impossible to ignore the results. There's also loads of other studies on the same thing that have showed the same results with women and any other minority group you can think of.



That's great that you have had good experiences with BARF, but I've talked to plenty of people where that isn't the case at all. Most of them no longer post here, because they got tired of people demeaning their experiences around sexism or racism.

Actions speak loudly, and choosing to post racist slurs in public is an action. Someone who takes the time to type out a racist post, thinks about it, and then hits submit - I'd rather spend my time with people who show a little more respect to others.



Agreed, that's why I have a massive UIM policy. Feel free to call a spade a spade, just don't be an asshole about it.

There are NO jobs where I don't qualify because I'm half Japanese.

I've never applied for a job and been denied because of my ethnicity. It's always been an advantage. I'm a fuckin' felon, and I usually get the job anyway.

You operate on a lot of "what ifs". What if they were a racist, what if the job didn't accept half Japanese, what if the guy offering the free pick up for a dead bike, were a racist. I operate on right now, I don't worry about, "what if". If something pops up, I deal with it, here and now. I don't think in terms of "What if he is a racist, will he be fair to me?" I can't or actually, I won't live like that.That's what I mean, I won't let them have any power over me. Worrying about a company owner that hates Hapas? I don't worry about it. Worrying about it, gives them power. No matter what, I will make it, I will survive. Because for every one that hates Japanese or halvsies anyway, or hates Chinese or Mexicans or blacks, or Indians or Swedes or whoever, there are 1000 out there that don't.

You mentioned that you've spoken to lots of people that stopped coming here because of the racism and sexism. I never have.

In a previous post, you seemed to imply (correct me if I'm wrong) that you think that many people here (a majority maybe) are shitheads, racists if you will. What I have noticed is that pretty much everyone that I've come across on this forum, are very welcoming, very open, and seem to want to help anyone that pops up here. There might be a joke here or there, but I haven't come across anyone that wouldn't help anyone, anytime. Have you?

If you think there are too many racists here, and you said you'd rather hang out with people that weren't, why are you here? I'm not saying that you should leave, but you've commented that you feel there are a lot of racists on here (I don't see this myself), why subject yourself to it?

A lot of the current racial hysteria, is driven by media. They can, and will find, racism, sexism and homophobia everywhere. But I'm not driven by viewer ratings, readership or anything like that. Unless it is directed squarely at me or my family, it is not my problem. And, I'm not going to change anyone's view of anything.

Have a good Day Z3N.