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Alberto Puig blasts Nicky Hayden
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Rolls with it...
Oh right he was "champion"
nvm
So anyways. Pedrosa and Lorenzo were the only front runners with Stoner and Rossi until Lorenzo's crashfest and Pedrosa's crash at Sachsenring followed by a couple of tracks Michelin didn't do so well on. I'm not saying he rode well enough to win, but let's just say has done well enough that he could have been in 3rd without those DNF's. Oh wait a minute..he IS in 3rd. He and Lorenzo were the only 2 riders on Michelins that stood a chance in the beginning of this season. Now they have both crashed and got injured, and are 3rd and 4th. All things considered i think Pedrosa did pretty well and FAR better than Hayden.
Like i said, you guys can talk up Nicky and his great personality and whatnot, but Pedrosa is 10 times the rider Nicky will ever be.. -->insert stupid pun jokes here
I'm starting to feel sorry for Pedrosa, due to his manager causing so much controversy and distraction that Pedro's fragile psyche can't handle. This was supposed to be Dani's year, instead he's a non-factor.
Wait a minute, it's Pedrosa, F that guy, I'm glad he's stinking it up this year.
Wait a minute, it's Pedrosa, F that guy, I'm glad he's stinking it up this year.
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And in response, this article says it all.
This should be nominated for the Pulitzer Prize of motorcycle articles!!!
From Superbikeplanet.com
Jimola: MotoGP Shocker--Pedrosa Is Bat Boy!
by jim mcdermott
Friday, October 10, 2008
This week, Alberto Puig (pronounced like "Dooge", but with a P), manager/handler to Repsol Honda's Dani Pedrosa, did an "interview" with Motogp.com, wherein he was hyper-critical of DeePee's outgoing teammate, Nick Hayden. Puig accused Hayden of being "jealous of" and "acting like a hypocrite" about Pedrosa; and claims that Nicky "may be bothered because now he can't access information and telemetry data from Dani's bike".
How to shift the perception that you're a spoiled kid, whose screechy parent can't hide the fact that you've been given everything but can't deliver? Stir the sh*tpot and splash it somewhere else. Deflect. Distract. Change the subject. Don't be surprised if next week, the Weekly World News has the headline: "MOTOGP SHOCKER - DANI PEDROSA IS BAT BOY!"
Obviously, someone has pissed in Alberto's paella. Recently, Hayden did an interview with El Pais, the most widely circulated daily newspaper in Spain, where he said that essentially, Puig controls Honda Racing. Nicky's playful, tongue in cheek comments at Indy about the strife at Repsol HRC since Pedrosa's arrival may have been a catalyst. Or perhaps the media criticism of Dani's mid-season switch to Bridgestone tires, speculation over Puig's part in those machinations and DeePee's erratic 2008 results have taken their toll, and he just felt like ragging on someone. Maybe it was all those boos for Dani at Indianapolis....or was it Hayden's switch to Ducati for 2009, a move which garnered almost universal approval from pundits and paddock peeps alike? Podium finishes for #69 in the last two races, all these good vibes around Nick.....the perfect time to drop a fistful of "amargo caca" in the punchbowl.
It's doubtful that Nicky will fire back at Puig, it is just not the guy's style and he predictably takes the high road in such unpleasantness.
Reading the Puig interview, the questions come off as decidedly "lead in", leaving the door wide open to take shots at Nicky. MotoGP.com's interviews aren't typically controversial or gossipy— conspiracy theorists might do the sums as follows: Spanish Manager of Spanish Rider Interviewed by Website of Spanish Series = unchecked slagfest.
In a way, you can feel Puig's pain. Dani's been in the premier class for 3 seasons now, and his success or failure must have an impact on Puig's position of strength with Repsol and HRC. Alberto Puig never secured the MotoGP championship during his career as a rider, winning just one race (Jerez 1995); he can only taste the champion's champagne vicariously. Since the debut of the RC212V, Pedrosa has certainly had better results than Nicky, who finished 8th in 2007 with Dani as the series runner up to Stoner. Nicky has never really got on that well with the 212, a bike which looks like it was hit by Doctor Shrinker's Shrink Ray. Curiously, Puig blames Hayden for the flawed development of the machine, stating that he "never knew how to set-up a bike", comments which Pedrosa has aped as well. Of course, Hayden did win the Championship in 2006, solely developing the RC211V "lab bike"; the RC212V looks like it was tailor-made for Pedrosa. But Pedrosa hasn't been able to bring home the title on it as of yet.
Puig's statement that Hayden relies on Pedrosa's data and settings seems patently ludicrous. Firstly, Hayden has been running the pneumatic valve engine for some time, which has entirely different power characteristics and weight distribution than the valve spring engine Pedrosa has used for most of 2008. The pnuemi' is also a thirstier bike, which means different tuning. Secondly, Hayden's dirt-track influenced, back-it-in style is markedly different than Pedrosa's, who came up through the 125 and 250cc ranks - the suspension settings would need to be entirely different to accommodate each rider. Lastly, Hayden is physically heavier and larger than the tiny Pedrosa, who could "represent the Lollipop Guild" if taken by tornado to Oz. So it's highly doubtful that Nicky could use much of the information Pedrosa's side of the garage might provide.
But the most damning fact about data sharing in the Repsol garage is this: knowledgable sources say that Dani Pedrosa re-upped his contract with HRC last year, and in that agreement, he stipulated that he would have full access to Nicky Hayden's data (or any rider on a Honda who is fast)...while also stipulating that his own data would be kept private. Therefore, Pedrosa can view Nicky's data anytime he wants, but Hayden has not been able to view Pedrosa's data all year long. This kind of information would certainly help solve setup issues in a shorter timeframe.
It would be no surprise if Hayden were bothered by this less-than-equitable arrangement, and certainly provides a clue as to why a team environment currently seems an impossibility at Repsol HRC. And it doesn't look as though it will be any different next year for Hayden's replacement, Andrea Dovizioso. Although Puig has been respectfully dismissive of Dovi in the press so far, there are rumors that he has taken steps to ensure that Dani remains the #1 rider, and that there will be no development resources allocated to Andrea. Dovi wore a helmet at Indy on Sunday which had the phrase "Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark"" written on it in Italian. There were whispers that the message was directed at the shadowy gamesmanship of Puig and Pedrosa. Hayden is quite friendly with Dovizioso, so despite #69's exodus to Marlboro Ducati, fans will still have a rider to cheer on in the Repsol Honda squad in 2009. And Dovi is a steady, aggressive rider who will bring the fight to Dani, #2 status be damned.
One has to wonder if Dani Pedrosa's legendary soggy-diaper demeanor is the true nature of his personality, or if under Puig's Palpatine-esque tutelage, his Pampers have gotten leakier. Alberto's swipe at Hayden seemed a bit like having your mother wait at the bus stop to berate the kids who pick on you. Some feel that the Puig/Pedrosa camp have built their castle on a swamp of toxic entitlement—could this attack on Hayden be a cheap diversion tactic, pulled from the Public Relations 101 playbook? The switch to Bridgestones was surely orchestrated by Puig, although Dani took much of the heat in the press. The strategy was sound, given the fait-accompli switch of the entire paddock to the Japanese tires in 2009. But certainly, the embarrassment caused to HRC and Michelin was real, and let's not forget that all the other Michelin riders (including Nicky, Toseland, Edwards, etc) are finishing out the season on the French hoops, toughing it out. Even Valentino Rossi, a rider with both hands firmly on the tiller of MotoGP, refrained from switching mid-season when unhappy with the Michelins, and it certainly was within his power to change.
How to shift the perception that you're a spoiled kid, whose screechy parent can't hide the fact that you've been given everything but can't deliver?
Stir the shitpot and splash it somewhere else. Deflect. Distract. Change the subject.
Don't be surprised if next week, the Weekly World News has the headline: "MOTOGP SHOCKER - DANI PEDROSA IS BAT BOY!"
ENDS
This should be nominated for the Pulitzer Prize of motorcycle articles!!!
From Superbikeplanet.com
Jimola: MotoGP Shocker--Pedrosa Is Bat Boy!
by jim mcdermott
Friday, October 10, 2008
This week, Alberto Puig (pronounced like "Dooge", but with a P), manager/handler to Repsol Honda's Dani Pedrosa, did an "interview" with Motogp.com, wherein he was hyper-critical of DeePee's outgoing teammate, Nick Hayden. Puig accused Hayden of being "jealous of" and "acting like a hypocrite" about Pedrosa; and claims that Nicky "may be bothered because now he can't access information and telemetry data from Dani's bike".
How to shift the perception that you're a spoiled kid, whose screechy parent can't hide the fact that you've been given everything but can't deliver? Stir the sh*tpot and splash it somewhere else. Deflect. Distract. Change the subject. Don't be surprised if next week, the Weekly World News has the headline: "MOTOGP SHOCKER - DANI PEDROSA IS BAT BOY!"
Obviously, someone has pissed in Alberto's paella. Recently, Hayden did an interview with El Pais, the most widely circulated daily newspaper in Spain, where he said that essentially, Puig controls Honda Racing. Nicky's playful, tongue in cheek comments at Indy about the strife at Repsol HRC since Pedrosa's arrival may have been a catalyst. Or perhaps the media criticism of Dani's mid-season switch to Bridgestone tires, speculation over Puig's part in those machinations and DeePee's erratic 2008 results have taken their toll, and he just felt like ragging on someone. Maybe it was all those boos for Dani at Indianapolis....or was it Hayden's switch to Ducati for 2009, a move which garnered almost universal approval from pundits and paddock peeps alike? Podium finishes for #69 in the last two races, all these good vibes around Nick.....the perfect time to drop a fistful of "amargo caca" in the punchbowl.
It's doubtful that Nicky will fire back at Puig, it is just not the guy's style and he predictably takes the high road in such unpleasantness.
Reading the Puig interview, the questions come off as decidedly "lead in", leaving the door wide open to take shots at Nicky. MotoGP.com's interviews aren't typically controversial or gossipy— conspiracy theorists might do the sums as follows: Spanish Manager of Spanish Rider Interviewed by Website of Spanish Series = unchecked slagfest.
In a way, you can feel Puig's pain. Dani's been in the premier class for 3 seasons now, and his success or failure must have an impact on Puig's position of strength with Repsol and HRC. Alberto Puig never secured the MotoGP championship during his career as a rider, winning just one race (Jerez 1995); he can only taste the champion's champagne vicariously. Since the debut of the RC212V, Pedrosa has certainly had better results than Nicky, who finished 8th in 2007 with Dani as the series runner up to Stoner. Nicky has never really got on that well with the 212, a bike which looks like it was hit by Doctor Shrinker's Shrink Ray. Curiously, Puig blames Hayden for the flawed development of the machine, stating that he "never knew how to set-up a bike", comments which Pedrosa has aped as well. Of course, Hayden did win the Championship in 2006, solely developing the RC211V "lab bike"; the RC212V looks like it was tailor-made for Pedrosa. But Pedrosa hasn't been able to bring home the title on it as of yet.
Puig's statement that Hayden relies on Pedrosa's data and settings seems patently ludicrous. Firstly, Hayden has been running the pneumatic valve engine for some time, which has entirely different power characteristics and weight distribution than the valve spring engine Pedrosa has used for most of 2008. The pnuemi' is also a thirstier bike, which means different tuning. Secondly, Hayden's dirt-track influenced, back-it-in style is markedly different than Pedrosa's, who came up through the 125 and 250cc ranks - the suspension settings would need to be entirely different to accommodate each rider. Lastly, Hayden is physically heavier and larger than the tiny Pedrosa, who could "represent the Lollipop Guild" if taken by tornado to Oz. So it's highly doubtful that Nicky could use much of the information Pedrosa's side of the garage might provide.
But the most damning fact about data sharing in the Repsol garage is this: knowledgable sources say that Dani Pedrosa re-upped his contract with HRC last year, and in that agreement, he stipulated that he would have full access to Nicky Hayden's data (or any rider on a Honda who is fast)...while also stipulating that his own data would be kept private. Therefore, Pedrosa can view Nicky's data anytime he wants, but Hayden has not been able to view Pedrosa's data all year long. This kind of information would certainly help solve setup issues in a shorter timeframe.
It would be no surprise if Hayden were bothered by this less-than-equitable arrangement, and certainly provides a clue as to why a team environment currently seems an impossibility at Repsol HRC. And it doesn't look as though it will be any different next year for Hayden's replacement, Andrea Dovizioso. Although Puig has been respectfully dismissive of Dovi in the press so far, there are rumors that he has taken steps to ensure that Dani remains the #1 rider, and that there will be no development resources allocated to Andrea. Dovi wore a helmet at Indy on Sunday which had the phrase "Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark"" written on it in Italian. There were whispers that the message was directed at the shadowy gamesmanship of Puig and Pedrosa. Hayden is quite friendly with Dovizioso, so despite #69's exodus to Marlboro Ducati, fans will still have a rider to cheer on in the Repsol Honda squad in 2009. And Dovi is a steady, aggressive rider who will bring the fight to Dani, #2 status be damned.
One has to wonder if Dani Pedrosa's legendary soggy-diaper demeanor is the true nature of his personality, or if under Puig's Palpatine-esque tutelage, his Pampers have gotten leakier. Alberto's swipe at Hayden seemed a bit like having your mother wait at the bus stop to berate the kids who pick on you. Some feel that the Puig/Pedrosa camp have built their castle on a swamp of toxic entitlement—could this attack on Hayden be a cheap diversion tactic, pulled from the Public Relations 101 playbook? The switch to Bridgestones was surely orchestrated by Puig, although Dani took much of the heat in the press. The strategy was sound, given the fait-accompli switch of the entire paddock to the Japanese tires in 2009. But certainly, the embarrassment caused to HRC and Michelin was real, and let's not forget that all the other Michelin riders (including Nicky, Toseland, Edwards, etc) are finishing out the season on the French hoops, toughing it out. Even Valentino Rossi, a rider with both hands firmly on the tiller of MotoGP, refrained from switching mid-season when unhappy with the Michelins, and it certainly was within his power to change.
How to shift the perception that you're a spoiled kid, whose screechy parent can't hide the fact that you've been given everything but can't deliver?
Stir the shitpot and splash it somewhere else. Deflect. Distract. Change the subject.
Don't be surprised if next week, the Weekly World News has the headline: "MOTOGP SHOCKER - DANI PEDROSA IS BAT BOY!"
ENDS
wow, contrast the puig/dani situation with the burgess/rossi situation. what a difference. while burgess and rossi work together and complment each other perfectly and find inovative new ways to develope the bikes, puig seems to control dani 100% and ends up keeping development down.
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Var would've had to add "jew-hating commie bastard" to earn a vacation.Geez, that's harsh! Is that a TOS violation???
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"If you think Nicky Hayden is a better motorcycle rider than Pedrosa, you should sell your bike and watch Nascar."
-Var. October 13th, 2008.
Also I'd just like to say "fuck you in your ignorant ass" do the guy that wrote that horrible article demeaning on of the best riders of our time, and defending a glorified John Deere pilot in the process. It was absolute rubbish, yet not surprisingly, someone published it and a few agreed with it.
"Numbers don't lie"
That's the kind of thing only the classiest and most mentally secure rider would spam on the upper fairing of his own GP bike after an undisputable performance which his all his peers admired and respected.
-Var. October 13th, 2008.
Also I'd just like to say "fuck you in your ignorant ass" do the guy that wrote that horrible article demeaning on of the best riders of our time, and defending a glorified John Deere pilot in the process. It was absolute rubbish, yet not surprisingly, someone published it and a few agreed with it.
"Numbers don't lie"
That's the kind of thing only the classiest and most mentally secure rider would spam on the upper fairing of his own GP bike after an undisputable performance which his all his peers admired and respected.
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I'm not insulting you here. Just stating something that is obvious. You really don't understand racing do you? You really haven't read anything about this situation, have you?"If you think Nicky Hayden is a better motorcycle rider than Pedrosa, you should sell your bike and watch Nascar."
-Var. October 13th, 2008.
Also I'd just like to say "fuck you in your ignorant ass" do the guy that wrote that horrible article demeaning on of the best riders of our time, and defending a glorified John Deere pilot in the process. It was absolute rubbish, yet not surprisingly, someone published it and a few agreed with it.
"Numbers don't lie"
That's the kind of thing only the classiest and most mentally secure rider would spam on the upper fairing of his own GP bike after an undisputable performance which his all his peers admired and respected.
Those are the only assumptions one could make about your posts on this subject.
It's either that, or you're simply adding more, well, nothing.
Do you know about Pedrosa's latest contract?
Because if you took the time to read about it, you wouldn't be making such ignorant comments.
You sound like a McCain supported telling the world that Obama is a Muslim Terrorist. It's really a useless ploy that just makes you look/sound retarded. Not that you are retarded, it just make you look/sound retarded.
Have a great day!
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you guys are so entertaining!nedro.
1-Grow some nuts and call me a retard. Stop beating around the bush.
2- you're right about one thing. I don't know anything about racing which is apparent because nobody who knows anything about racing would talk bad about Nicky Hayden
1-Grow some nuts and call me a retard. Stop beating around the bush.
2- you're right about one thing. I don't know anything about racing which is apparent because nobody who knows anything about racing would talk bad about Nicky Hayden
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It has nothing to do with growing balls. I don't know if you qualify as a retard. I'm only saying that you sound like one in this thread. And it seems to continue.
And I don't care how you feel about Hayden personally. He was never named (officially) as Repsol's #1 rider. Not even when he won a.... wait, it's coming... A MotoGP Championship. He never raced on a bike built for him. And he never got that brand new set of forks this year that his, eh hem, "team mate" got. But again, he WON a championship while being handicapped, lucky or not.
So talk bad about him all you want, just try to stick to a fact, any fact, any fact at all.
I obviously don't appreciate Hayden, but moreso i just dont appreciate Hayden fans. Especially when they talk down on Pedrosa when he's clearly the better rider. I've always said I hope to see Hayden actually do a lot better, especially on the Ducati next year. I want to see him contend against the Europeans in a fair season. Until then he's a fluke and I would honestly just leave it at that, except his fans seem to either not follow racing, or have serious intelligence issues. Anyone who attacks Pedrosa's character and justifies that as reason to Hayden being a better rider is an IDIOT. Also the attacks against at Pedrosa just inspire me to fire back. Not because I take it personally that someone doesn't like PedroBot. That's understanable. I take it personally that people that Hayden apologists turn a blind eye to circumstances that are too hard to ignore. I bet not one of the fast riders in that paddock actually respect him as a rider.
Go find a picture of Hayden's GP bike with "numbers don't lie" on his fairings. That's just the perfect sign of insecurity. I still can't believe he put the #1 plate on his bike.
Go find a picture of Hayden's GP bike with "numbers don't lie" on his fairings. That's just the perfect sign of insecurity. I still can't believe he put the #1 plate on his bike.
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