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BARF getting a poser rep.???

Robert R1 said:
This guy has made some very valid points about seeing brakes mid corner, running wide, dbl yellow, target fixation etc. etc. etc.
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I agree with your post except that I didn't see brake lights in turns or crossing double yellow lines. I was in front of the newbies. The guy is either mistaken or is making it up. If he is as good as he implies, he would have been in front of the newbies, who would have been making those mistakes.
 
Deeter said:
Such a noble altruist . . . how could we ever doubt your intentions, Robert? :rolleyes

I don't disagree that these are topics that need discussing, and skills that need practicing. But there are definitely better ways to go about broaching the topic than yours. Your predilection for shit-stirring is as obvious as a wolf in wolf's clothing.

If you're unclear on how to start a dialogue on helping riders improve their skills, ask Doc Wong or Gary Jaehne for pointers. They're both quite skilled at sharing the collective knowledge they have gained over the years, and they're none too bashful about doing it.

But do us all a favor and don't pretend like this thread holds any other interest for you beyond the enjoyment of watching the dischord you've been instrumental in creating. Subltety isn't your strong suit.
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Agreed, well said Deeter, think he'll ever get the hint?
Melissa(the other Melissa)

oh, I do believe that the guy in the middle pictured
with Kevin and Melissa is Craig-Pukipu-something, screen named
after his cat. If that's him, he's a nice guy, swept me during
the true grit ride.
 
C'mon people- spit the hook out!

A classic troll wa nice twist by sticking it on another board- give 'em an extra 1/2 point for that...
 
Again,

Let's not get bent out of shape. I don't see what's wrong with Robert's posts... he only speaks the truth. If a few BARFers cannot handle it, or it is not sugar-coated enough, then should the rest of us suffer and not be privelaged to good advice?

I'd rather that he says

"Dude, you're gonna die if you ride like that"

than

"You might want to consider riding a little more under control"

I like the fast & hard approach.
But hell yah, Melissa you are one tough bitch! :thumbup
 
donoman said:
I like the fast & hard approach.
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That's a dangerous thing to say... ;)

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a tough bitch, why I oughtta...:mad

I am doing what Robert is doing-saying it like it is.
Why you picking on me?
Cuz my bra is so much bigger than yours?

:p
Melissa
 
Deeter said:
Such a noble altruist . . . how could we ever doubt your intentions, Robert? :rolleyes

I don't disagree that these are topics that need discussing, and skills that need practicing. But there are definitely better ways to go about broaching the topic than yours. Your predilection for shit-stirring is as obvious as a wolf in wolf's clothing.

If you're unclear on how to start a dialogue on helping riders improve their skills, ask Doc Wong or Gary Jaehne for pointers. They're both quite skilled at sharing the collective knowledge they have gained over the years, and they're none too bashful about doing it.

But do us all a favor and don't pretend like this thread holds any other interest for you beyond the enjoyment of watching the dischord you've been instrumental in creating. Subltety isn't your strong suit.
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You opinion of my posts and your false analysis of my intentions means nothing to me. The fact is, most things on this boards are sugercoated and when a serious issues arise, people try to make jokes (pitiful ones at that) and try to shut down the topic. Sportbiking is a VERY dangerous hobby, especially for newer riderr, thus the reason newer riders are more crash prone than more experienced riders. You want reference that as shit stirring too???

My suggestion of learning to check yourself and talking yourself through a panic situation is a very valid one as was my previous suggestion about having a format for rides that clearly depicts all aspects of the rider by the organizer. What have contributed besides this 2nd grade analysis??? Also, I have read time after time, people running wide or going too fast for their skill level to keep "the pace." Did I know that this post would cause a stir??? Of course I did. Controversial topics and statements are usually what bring about the major changes and believe it or not, there needs to be a major change in the organization of BARF rides.
 
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Melissa said:
a tough bitch, why I oughtta...:mad

I am doing what Robert is doing-saying it like it is.
Why you picking on me?
Cuz my bra is so much bigger than yours?

:p
Melissa
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:teeth :banana hi melissa how you recoverin over there... did they get finished?
 
There is a very simple solution to all this...

Before each ride, take a poll of who the newbies are (those with less experience or new to the group.) Ask volunteers from amongst the experienced riders to shadow the newbies for that ride. It's sort of like a sponsoring program.

But then again, I think some of you who appeared to be so concerned with the well-being of newbies have no interest to see this thread die.
 
Robert R1 said:
Sportbiking is a VERY dangerous hobby, especially for newer riderr, thus the reason newer riders are more crash prone than more experienced riders.

My suggestion of learning to check yourself and talking yourself through a panic situation is a very valid one as was my previous suggestion about having a format for rides that clearly depicts all aspects of the rider by the organizer. What have contributed besides this 2nd grade analysis??? Also, I have read time after time, people running wide or going too fast for their skill level to keep "the pace." Did I know that this post would cause a stir??? Of course I did. Controversial topics and statements are usually what bring about the major changes and believe it or not, there needs to be a major change in the organization of BARF rides.
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I agree that sportbiking is a dangerous hobby but the same may be said about mountain biking, sport driving, swimming, extreme dog-walking, etc. We try and minimize these risks by learning and riding within our limits. But "shit happens" that is sometimes out of our control...or within our control but is a "fucked up moment". OH well.

I agree that people need to check themselves and learn how to react in a panic situation. New riders need to learn these skills more than experienced riders as they will find themselves in more "oh shit" moments relative to a more advanced rider.

Why have you read about so many people going across the double-solids or in the other lane here at BARF? Here is my thought:
BARF has MANY group rides and welcomes riders of all skill levels.
BARF rides almost always pick up new riders looking to learn.
BARF rides travel at varied paces - from ssslllooooww to extremely rapid.
Due to the LARGE number of group rides and the LARGE number of riders, odds are that there WILL BE a certain percentage of crashes.
You will hear about these fuck-up moments because there are so many riders, so many new riders, and so many people here willing to post about what happened on the rides.

I think it is a good idea that RobertR1 has to POST the expectations of ride pace. I think the format Robert provided was pretty good because you don't have to read the entire post to know what the expected pace will be.

NOW, on the other hand, BARF ride organizers CANNOT police everyone and assess the skills of riders without actually seeing them ride first-hand. IF BARF limited rides to ONLY to people who are known quantities, then BARF wouldn't have gotten so large. Additionally, if that were the case I probably would have never been able to go on a BARF ride and meet so many good friends and riding buds.

Seeking a good solution to a perceived problem is a good idea. Robert is moving in the right direction but I still think there will be some things to iron out. I HAVE NO IDEA how to resolve people crashing on rides. I accept the fact that NOBODY wants to crash, NOBODY intends on crashing, but that "shit happens" and I would rather look at fixing the issue instead of pointing a finger at blame. Screw that...that never does anybody any good.

But I do want to address one thing Robert said about "Group A" riders not giving a shit about what happens behind them. I think that does not always apply, of course. I say that because I sometimes ride with a group that others consider or label as "A" but if any shit happens to any rider in the group all the way to the last sweeper, WE ARE THERE TO HELP!!!! I remember a Mines run LATE in the afternoon when a non-BARFer ran his GSX-R into the side of the mountain. The lead group went back, stayed with the remaining members while Ezekiel rode about 50-75 miles round trip to get his truck so we could all lift that PIG of a bike (heh, heh) into the bed and he helped haul that guy and his ride home. The lead group didn't just haul off and go home.

My philosophy is that if we ride "as a group" we leave "as a group" and we don't leave people behind. However, if we did leave people behind, some of the rides would be much quicker. ...OH yeah... and the EAST BAY riders ARE the fastest in the Bay!!!! hahahaha.......JUST KIDDING!!!! SHeesh!!!!:teeth
 
Many good points have been raised, and I, for one think that Robert has made some good points. The issue will be discussed further, and a proactive course of action will be taken. Please continue the civil diatribe, as all your opinions are highly valued, and will be considered. BARF on.
 
Deeter, Robert makes sense. His post is well laid out and articulate.

Keep sticking your head in the sand though.
 
Robert R1 said:
You opinion of my posts and your false analysis of my intentions means nothing to me. The fact is, most things on this boards are sugercoated and when a serious issues arise, people try to make jokes (pitiful ones at that) and try to shut down the topic. Sportbiking is a VERY dangerous hobby, especially for newer riderr, thus the reason newer riders are more crash prone than more experienced riders. You want reference that as shit stirring too???

My suggestion of learning to check yourself and talking yourself through a panic situation is a very valid one as was my previous suggestion about having a format for rides that clearly depicts all aspects of the rider by the organizer. What have contributed besides this 2nd grade analysis??? Also, I have read time after time, people running wide or going too fast for their skill level to keep "the pace." Did I know that this post would cause a stir??? Of course I did. Controversial topics and statements are usually what bring about the major changes and believe it or not, there needs to be a major change in the organization of BARF rides.
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I agree with what you are saying. I do not understand the history between you and Deeter (clearly there is) ... but just within this thread I agree.

Something that has consistently pissed me off with group riding, is that no one says what is bothering them about other riders.

I was riding with my normal group (this is when i lived in socal), a few extra people joined us, including this girl on a 250, whose name was Misty (not her handle), she was so obnoxious and trying SO HARD to act like one of the big dogs. She ended up cutting me off during the apex on an 80mph turn (thank goodness my SV has no issues w/adjusting lines) and later almost side swiped one of the leaders while those of us who are familiar with each other had been playing "push the kill switch" and she tried to join in. 4 out of 6 people said they didn't want her to ride with us again, yet no one actually said anything to her.

So when time came for me to say my piece to her, one of the few who had no issues with her (that's cuz' he wanted a piece of her, which was blatantly obvious, they were super flirty together) totally dug into me in front of about 15 other people to try and stand up for her, telling me that the group didn't like riding with me in the beginning either because they didn't like how I rode (or used to, in the beginning i didn't hang off the bike, but i also didn't ride fast enough to need to, i've got an SV, it's nimble ...).

It pissed me off pretty bad, I'd been riding with the group pretty much exclusively for a few months, but I didn't react with that, I just said "well, i just won't make the same mistake as everyone else and let this girl be a burden who might kill herself or one of us" and walked over and told her what I thought ... (yes i was totally nice, however, she hated me after that ... and yes, i was glad when i found out she ate dirt the following weekend ...).

(shrug)

I give my opinions freely when I see someone being dangerous. I take the perspective that I want someone to tell me if I'm doing something that may be dangerous, or even if it's just something that could be done differently/better. I want to be the best rider I can be (ack stupid GI JOE SONG!!) and I just take the perspective that everyone else is the same.

However, I wouldn't put in on any group to take that responsibility, just individuals who notice the issues. I think it's much easier to be taken aside by one person than to have a thread about it ... I don't think threads about issues, but vague as to who is the offender work because it's possible someone may not know they are even doing whatever it is they are doing.

The guy who started this whole thing on SBF is full of shit tho'. There were not any moments as he described. I saw two people run slightly wide, but both were the newbies in the group, they corrected, kept it up ... I dunno about everyone else, but those pucker moments sometimes are the most educational.
 
You TELL ME what I am !

I cruise in the fast lane of 280 doing 55 mph.

I shut the motor off and push the bike on all hairpins and 35 mph turns.

I use both turn and hand signals on every lane changes and turns.

I come to a complete stop with both feet down on every stop signs.

I have a nice RC and nice gear.

My license plate reads "F EM ALL"

:twofinger :laughing :kicknuts
 
Look at this thread..super long with drama. The original post at sbf was a guy talking shit,nothing more. Now he got what he wanted, everyone all riled up. He's probably at home jacking off furiously as he reads this thread.
Barf has so many crashes, why? CUZ ITS SO FUCKING BIG. You got rides all the time, with riders of all levels. So shit happens. If you ride with the same small group all the time, shit is less likely to happen. Mulitply that 100 fold and things change.
Plain and simple.
_stop feeding the monster_
 
levitation said:
Look at this thread..super long with drama. The original post at sbf was a guy talking shit,nothing more. Now he got what he wanted, everyone all riled up. He's probably at home jacking off furiously as he reads this thread.
Barf has so many crashes, why? CUZ ITS SO FUCKING BIG. You got rides all the time, with riders of all levels. So shit happens. If you ride with the same small group all the time, shit is less likely to happen. Mulitply that 100 fold and things change.
Plain and simple.
_stop feeding the monster_
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The people making the drama are the people who are bitching about the thread.

There seems to be a few of us at least who are contributing to a fair amount of the psots who don't seem upset ... or bothered. Just talking about stuff ...

I see no point in your post ... except to try and end a conversation. If you don't like it, don't read it ... sheesh.
 
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