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IDENT MARKING did some amazing work for me recently. I couldn't find anybody who could convert a custom image into the correct format for engraving. They did this impeccable job, which made me completely forget about the abnormal wait time. :teeth

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fawndog said:
IDENT MARKING did some amazing work for me recently. I couldn't find anybody who could convert a custom image into the correct format for engraving. They did this impeccable job, which made me completely forget about the abnormal wait time. :teeth

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Awesome engraving & artwork! Was that an 80% conversion for an AR-10? Didn't know those were available. :thumbup
 
Dammit. I should be on CG more often... :cry

Thanks for the info, tho. Have you put it all together?
 
afmotorsports said:
JFC, you don't think I would've if I knew how?? :laughing
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Probably from an iPhone.

I had the same problem. Mine were upside down.

I uploaded them to my Mac, opened up Preview, Rotated them all around, and then saved it. The problem is that, for me, the Mac interprets the meta data in the image, and makes the image "right side up" no matter what, so you have no idea what the orientation of the original image is.

But after shoving it around in Preview, that resets that meta data.
 
Been getting into 1911's lately. Very happy with today take home.





Triple
 
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Yeah Daniel that's what I thought. But the abstract text of the pdf I linked states (bolded text mine):

"A
ny person (including any corporation or other legal entity)
engaged in the business of
performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or ot
her
manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver
suitable for use as part of a “weapon ... which will or is designed to or may readily be converted
to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,” i.e., a “
firearm,” must be licensed as a
manufacturer under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA); identify (mark) any such firearm; and
maintain required manufacturer’s records. A business (including an association or society) may
not avoid the manufacturing license,
marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by
allowing persons to perform manufacturing processes on firearms (including frames or
receivers) using machinery or equipment under its dominion and control where that business
controls access to, and u
se of, such machinery or equipment. ATF Ruling 2010
-
10 is hereby
clarified."

Which to me at least suggests the individual must now possess an FFL (well whatever flavor they have for manufacturers).. ??
Konfuzed..
 
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Engaging in a business. If you build if for yourself and not for sale.
 
Grissom said:
Are 80% still legal to build or has that loophole been closed?
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Junkie said:
Build parties may require an FFL but you're still allowed to build them yourself.
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dmaxAl said:
Yeah Daniel that's what I thought. But the abstract text of the pdf I linked states (bolded text mine):

"Any person (including any corporation or other legal entity)
engaged in the business of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver suitable for use as part of a “weapon ... which will or is designed to or may readily be converted
to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,” i.e., a “firearm,” must be licensed as a manufacturer under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA); identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required manufacturer’s records. A business (including an association or society) may not avoid the manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing persons to perform manufacturing processes on firearms (including frames or receivers) using machinery or equipment under its dominion and control where that business controls access to, and use of, such machinery or equipment. ATF Ruling 2010-10 is hereby clarified."

Which to me at least suggests the individual must now possess an FFL (well whatever flavor they have for manufacturers).. ??
Konfuzed..
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FYI, these were 100% years ago.

Secondly in my opinion, discussing the intricacies of these builds indiscreetly is what got antis to focus attention on them.

Section 921(a)(10), defines a “manufacturer” as any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution.
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As defined by section 921(a)(21)(A), the term “engaged in the business” means, as applied to a manufacturer of firearms, “a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms manufactured.”
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So, don't distribute or sell them. I'd also encourage people to discuss these things in person or by PM.
 
Fawndog, please don't get me wrong, I'm no advocate of breaking any law.. And how close you want to get into a grey area is a personal decision..

I was just looking for clarity on whether the original intent was still untouched- i.e some guy at home building for himself, no intent to resell or distribute. Which I think warrants public discussion, no?
 
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dmaxAl said:
Fawndog, please don't get me wrong, I'm no advocate of breaking any law.. And how close you want to get into a grey area is a personal decision..

I was just looking for clarity on whether the original intent was still untouched- i.e some guy at home building for himself, no intent to resell or distribute. Which I think warrants public discussion, no?
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Why a public discussion? The laws are out there for everyone to read. It's up to the person to read and interpret/follow them as they please.

Spend 10 minutes on Calguns and you'll see "Is this Cali Legal...." topics pop up daily. Main reason SSE and Build Parties are gone AND the making of 80% lowers requiring an FFL now (at least thats how I read it).

The public discussion does more harm than good. Similar to ".....Anything you say can and will be used against you." That doesnt imply anything you say can and will be used FOR you.

If I read a post here of Calguns and question the legality of something I PM or just carry on. How many people do you think built an AR Pistol in their garage and DIDNT follow the SSE process? No one is there to know they did or didnt. Can't take photos to prove you did for the sake of possible self incrimination.

I've read about several FFLs that were soooooo busy during the SSE frenzy they were selling off roster firearms without being blocked to 1 round without a longer barrel. No one said anything.
 
Jesus H fucking Christ....

A friend of mine contacts me, he's been thinking about his first rifle for a while. He's heard about these 80% approaches and asked my opinion.. I'm a bit out of the loop on this, so I do a bit of a google myself and I got what I was looking for - that ATF doc attached which clearly delineates what was going on at build parties (I am not even saying whether or not I agreed with that stuff :laughing) but that it was still unclear to me whether original intent stood. "Does an individual, operating at home, on wholly owned equipment, require an FFL to manufacture a firearm for personal use, and does that firearm need have idendtification markings applied?"
Of course, even though Im' ootl on the current actual legal status, my gut feel to him is 'Don't bother, go the OLL route'.
So fuck it, I'll throw these out to barf cos I might get a better SnR in return than fucking calguns.. Well that was a fucking mistake..

Fuck.,\
 
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