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California has banned generators.

mikev said:
So why don't they just move somewhere the power doesn't go out?

Isn't that the "advice" given to people that can't afford the cost of housing in certain places? Move somewhere cheaper?

Why is this different?
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:wtf

Well, while the overblown and outrageous cost of housing in the Bay Area is 100% the fault of Government Regulation, and I certainly not only advocate for change, I actively work with legislators on trying to find changes the public will accept, it seems not to be an Apples to Apples conversation.

That being said, they certainly are. Nearly all the people I know personally who have fled the State in the last 18 months lived in Sonoma County have the same story. "I just can't do another fire season."

Nevertheless, that does not undermine my point that this is bad administration.
 
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Eldritch said:
I mean, the definition is pretty clear? Anyone who lives in areas where the power goes out regularly and for whom solar systems (as many people are suggesting), are not possible.

:dunno
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:laughing

You are legit moving goalposts. Initially it was apartment dwellers (specifically in Sonoma County), now it's for people who can't use solar...my question is can the vast majority of these folks use a gas powered generator to power up their homes right now?
Because all the candidates seem to be unable to fuck with solar or gas currently so like I've been trying to say this particular point may be moot.

Eldritch said:
Same reason renters cannot use any solar on the roof, even going on the roof of most rental units is grounds for eviction.
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Can this guy use a gas powered gennie right now?

Eldritch said:
Solar simply is not an option for most people in apartments, but I get it. "Let them eat cake."
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Can this guy use a gas powered gennie right now?

Eldritch said:
I'm just seeing a ton of privilege in here and I guess I'm just not fucking interested in the opinion of anyone who is not living in rental apartment housing in Sonoma County, where ALL the shut offs happen.
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Can this guy use a gas powered gennie right now?

Because if they can't use one in their domicile now, you've been railing against nothing for over a day.
 
Jesus, what a shit show this thread has become.

Someone should put a poll in this thread and ask the question: how many days out of the last three years have you lost power?

How are you going to charge batteries if there is no grid working? Maybe PG&E should just up there rates and install solar and batteries in all their customers sites?
 
oobus said:
Jesus, what a shit show this thread has become.

Someone should put a poll in this thread and ask the question: how many days out of the last three years have you lost power?

How are you going to charge batteries if there is no grid working? Maybe PG&E should just up there rates and install solar and batteries in all their customers sites?
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3 days in the last 2 months, with a few other days where it just blipped out for a moment and came back on after a few minutes. The other times it was out for over an hour. Came back on relatively quickly enough I didn't have to worry about food spoiling, or the house getting too cold / hot, but yeah.
 
oobus said:
Jesus, what a shit show this thread has become.

Someone should put a poll in this thread and ask the question: how many days out of the last three years have you lost power?

How are you going to charge batteries if there is no grid working? Maybe PG&E should just up there rates and install solar and batteries in all their customers sites?
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I'm turning 40 next year. Born and raised in the bay area, recently moved to Sac area. I can't remember having a power outage that lasted more than a few hours in my entire life.

People living in rural areas should expect a level of rural inconvenience. Like I said earlier, if you need gas generators, then you have a few years to buy more of them. Start now and you can collect more generators then you'll need in your lifetime.

Solar powered battery banks will get better and cheaper as the tech improves. Sometime it takes gov regulation to speed up new tech innovation and improvement IMO.
 
I've lost power for about 12 hours over three years, twice to vehicles hitting poles with power transmission equipment. This year was out for 4 hours due to other equipment failures.

Thought of getting a generator, but I'm still thinking about getting a generator.
 
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Jammer said:
I've lost power for about 12 hours over three years, twice to vehicles hitting poles with power transmission equipment. This year was out for 4 hours due to other equipment failures.

Though of getting a generator, but I'm still thinking about getting a generator.
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To put this another way, you have gone without power for .05% of the time in the last 3 years. 99.95% power-on rate is pretty damn good IMO.
 
Currently live in an borderline suburban/urban grid.

Recently, I've only experienced less than 10 to 20 actual hrs of power loss, this was within a span of maybe a 2.5 decades.

The last time I've experience a real multiday outage was Loma Prieta in '89

Suffice to say I'm most pissed about internet outages as far as utilities.
 
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Enjoying some summer sailing, if power to marina goes off, we head back home.

Power off in the State of Jefferson, we travel to the boat on the SF Bay.

Fires in North State, boat time. Fires in Santa Cruz mountains, back to home again.

Then there's Jumanji. Fires and smoke permeate the skies everywhere. CoVid lockdowns. Riots. There's no where to hide.

I'd buy an RV and find a quiet spot however, California will allow homeless to park their tents anywhere, but try to find a suitable sheltered spot for living space on wheels.

Don't suggest driving from Wal-Mart-to-Wal-mart. ;)
 
So people are more pissed a CARB for this ban than at PG&E for worse services at a higher costs? Do I have that right? Seems backwards.
 
BillSmith said:
I'd buy an RV and find a quiet spot however, California will allow homeless to park their tents anywhere, but try to find a suitable sheltered spot for living space on wheels.
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BLM land? I know a couple of guys that live year-round on BLM land, they just need to scoot their RVs every couple of weeks or whatever.


Also seems like a free-for-all as far as RVs out in the Mojave. I was poking around out there a couple of years ago, mostly in the Salton Sea area, and seems like RVs were just everywhere.
 
ScorpioVI said:
BLM land? I know a couple of guys that live year-round on BLM land, they just need to scoot their RVs every couple of weeks or whatever.
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Drove our equipment out to Rochester last May and did stay in Walmart parking lots. BLM land works if you can find it. And Casinos! Enjoyed the van life for the whole 5 days it took me to get there...

So, it appears that those who took the time to respond have not had to suffer much during a power outage. I'm fortunate that we are on the grid with a large group of truckstops so it hasn't went out yet.

Lots of peeps up here in NorCal in the Chico, RedBluff and Redding area did loose power for mult-days where food would spoil and living in smokey 110 degree days without ac is not healthy. And there are a lot of older people living on fixed incomes.
 
oobus-

Yeah, I'm a peep in NorCal. Hence the travel to avoid smoke and power outages, though at times, it has been a refuge from the protests and protocols (CoVid).

You've seen the proliferation of RVs up here. Camp Fire refugees in ad hoc 'towns' in big box store parking lots.
 
mikev said:
oh darn, generators will have to pollute less.
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This.

mikev said:
did you read the article that is a shitty screenshot in the OP?

The sensationalist title that says OMFG BANNING GENERATORS then goes on to say that they just have be more efficient and pollute less.

Big fucking deal.

Sure did a good job winding people up, which is clearly the intent of the "article" - people can just react to headlines and not bother reading anything else, apparently..
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It took the EPA and CARB to force manufacturers of automobiles to actually engineer instead of giving the middle finger to the world and, pretty much not surprisingly whatsoever, it worked and they were able to clean up their act by actually trying to do so instead of pretending like they didn't know how. This thread is full of the typical American response of misplaced rage for something that is actually better for them just because of some sensationalist bullshit talking head using conformation bias-laced language to piss off people that wouldn't be pissed off at all if they actually checked their misplaced anger at the door and gave a shit about other people besides themselves for a change. :dunno

mean dad said:
Jesus fucking Christ people.

Read more, talk less.
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:applause
 
Where is everyone going to get their gas when power goes out?

Meanwhile the sun comes up every morning. :dunno
 
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