Can I rant for just one post?

[Z3n]

You just proved my point. You view me as a rich prick who chooses to ride the bike going along with that image. Do you look at the rich pricks on BMWs as being irresponsible squids doing wheelies, running stop signs, and terrorizing the general public all the time? If so, then I stand corrected. If not, then you will understand why I was pissed about being harassed.

And to your earlier comment, you should know better than to espouse to know anything about me or what I choose to ride. I bought a $25k bike as my main transportation as opposed to buying a cage- it doesn't mean I'm made of money. I think my rep around here and on any other forum or in public in general would easily prove that I'm anything but some bling bling larry only concerned with how I can look cool. I bought that bike as it is a nice do it all machine.

Heya, long time no see!

We met about a year back up there, I'm pretty sure I had the 929 then...red leathers, OGK helmet, doing my best repli-racer on 9

You ran into a jerk cop, sucks, but given the number of dead people on the road recently, it's sort of to be expected. Unfortunantly, he can't see that you're actually a competent rider, probably doesn't know a BMW from an Oxcart, so it sucks that it happened but there isn't shit you can do about it. Unfortunantly, some cops like to swing their badges around, in the same way that a lot of the BMW guys like to humble squids on their huge ass bikes. Maybe the last BMW he saw was passing a lapper while dragging cylinder heads, who knows.

 

[longtallsally]

Subject chooses to ride sections of road that are currently under intense scrutiny due to recent vehicle injuries and fatalities.

Subject chooses to walk the fine line of a legal stop by not putting foot down. FWIW Personally I believe you made a legal stop without dropping your foot. With a little practice and balance it's easy to do. Depending on your perspective it might not look like a full stop to other observers.

Nearby LEO takes notice and wants to have a little chat with subject.

Subject wishes to educate LEO about his years and years of prior motorcycle experience. LEO listens, yawns and dreams of next donut.

At the end of the chat LEO tells subject is free to go with a simple warning.

Subject thinks about it and feels the need to rant about this injustice.

Have a donut and try to relax.

FINALLY someone got it! Thanks for this!

 

[Brown81]

Do you look at the rich pricks on BMWs as being irresponsible squids doing wheelies, running stop signs, and terrorizing the general public all the time? If so, then I stand corrected. If not, then you will understand why I was pissed about being harassed.

No, I don't. I just view them as rich pricks on BMW's......


......who rant about how they are better than everyone else, and expect police to treat them better than everyone else.

:|


But, I noticed you have a Honda, so you can't be all bad.

 

[longtallsally]

Heya, long time no see!

We met about a year back up there, I'm pretty sure I had the 929 then...red leathers, OGK helmet, doing my best repli-racer on 9

You ran into a jerk cop, sucks, but given the number of dead people on the road recently, it's sort of to be expected. Unfortunantly, he can't see that you're actually a competent rider, probably doesn't know a BMW from an Oxcart, so it sucks that it happened but there isn't shit you can do about it. Unfortunantly, some cops like to swing their badges around, in the same way that a lot of the BMW guys like to humble squids on their huge ass bikes. Maybe the last BMW he saw was passing a lapper while dragging cylinder heads, who knows.

Hey man, I remember you! I think I just finished a mountain bike ride at Saratoga Gap and you were just getting into things. You definitely have stuck with it. If you feel like a camping trip, there might still be openings for the ADV event at Kernville in a couple weeks if you want to cruise up and over Greenhorn and ride through Jawbone canyone (knobbies going back on for that action).

And I never drag anything when I ride...

And I'm so rich that I have no choice but to transport the mtb to the trails like this...

 

[longtallsally]

No, I don't. I just view them as rich pricks on BMW's......


......who rant about how they are better than everyone else, and expect police to treat them better than everyone else.

:|


But, I noticed you have a Honda, so you can't be all bad.

Not to be obnoxious, but most motor cops wave at me and a good portion of the bimmer riders I've met actually do know how to ride. If the shoe fits...

And just to prove I'm not a rich prick or otherwise, I do have a KLR, which proves what an utter cheapskate I am.

 

[Z3n]

Hey man, I remember you! I think I just finished a mountain bike ride at Saratoga Gap and you were just getting into things. You definitely have stuck with it. If you feel like a camping trip, there might still be openings for the ADV event at Kernville in a couple weeks if you want to cruise up and over Greenhorn and ride through Jawbone canyone (knobbies going back on for that action).

And I never drag anything when I ride...

And I'm so rich that I have no choice but to transport the mtb to the trails like this...

Believe me, I wish i had an ADV bike to go shooting about on. At the moment i have a stack of motorcycles and a stack of debt, so one stack is going to reduce the other stack, and apparently that doesn't end with me owning a lot of bikes.

On the bright side i've been doing a lot of track riding, so for much the same reasons that you hate the hill, i'm strongly considering moving to track riding only. It'll probably never happen, but I think that before too long I'll end up with a trackbike and a touring bike. Pick up too much speed on the track and the street gets pretty lame.

Someday, though, I'll rep the hardcore touring with you crazy bastards. For now, i'm throwing all my money into trackdays and racing next year. I'm pretty sure you'll still be out there when i give up on racing, battered and broken, so hopefully we can go for some epic ride then.

And maybe you wouldn't scrape shit if you'd take off those stupid saddlebags and that damn mountain bike rack. Seriously, what kind of name do you give us riders by riding around with a mountainbike on the back? A damn disgrace, that's what you are

 

[mototireguy]

How will you react when another grumpy LEO has the gumption to initiate another traffic stop on you to discuss hanging a red warning flag on the rear of the bicycle for long loads?

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trucks/trucksize/overhang.htm

LAMP OR FLAG ON PROJECTIONS:
Per CVC Section 24604, whenever the load upon any vehicle extends, or whenever any integral part of any vehicle projects, to the rear four feet or more beyond the rear of the vehicle, as measured from the taillamps, there shall be displayed at the extreme end of the load or projecting part of the vehicle:

* a solid red or fluorescent orange flag or cloth not less than 12 inches square, or
* during darkness, in addition to the required taillamp, two red lights with a bulb rated not in excess of six candlepower plainly visible from a distance of at least 500 feet to the sides and rear.

We having fun yet?

Cool photo. I plan to share with friends.

And I'm so rich that I have no choice but to transport the mtb to the trails like this...

 

[scout]

I repeat, where do you come up with this crap? Please stop. You should have said "I don't have a clue as to the truth, but let me share my opinion anyway." Please stop.

It is clear that you:
a) do not understand the definition of 'stop'.
b) do not know what the C.V.C. actually states.
c) do not have any idea (based in reality) of the legal definition of probable cause.

When you pass off your uninformed opinion as fact, you are part of the problem not the solution. Please stop.

What, your argument is that most departments have policies without the moto foot down at the stop?

Talk about nonsense. A complete stop is just that. Proof of moto complete stop is a foot down. Period. Take you shit elsewhere.

 

[Buti grv]

Feel better?

 

[Junkie]

What, your argument is that most departments have policies without the moto foot down at the stop?

Talk about nonsense. A complete stop is just that. Proof of moto complete stop is a foot down. Period. Take you shit elsewhere.

You can put your foot down without coming to a complete stop, and you can come to a complete stop without putting your foot down. Period.

 

[QuaiChangKane]

Ummmm, you're gonna have to help me with this post. I don't understand your point?
1) you make it sound like scanning all possible areas of where I might get hit at an intersection with a passenger while doing a track stand is a bad thing? Sorry, I'll stop working on skills now. I am ATGATT and actually have had to force her to be out of respect for her as well as my family and hers. You make it sound like I am trying to be cool for just having an idea of how to ride a bike. I'm trying to convey that I was disapppointed for being harassed for an infringement (whether or not putting a foot down is a legal stop not being debated) when there is a whole lot more productive traffic enforcement that can be done.

2) when did I say I was superior to anyone? I specifically said I don't like to go on the "hill" due to the general stupidity exhibited up there. I've gone pretty far with my fairly humble attitude on the street in that I've put about 35,000 miles on 2 wheels in the last 12 months, so please tell me if I'm doing something wrong.

3) I obviously was a real disrespectful jerk to the pig and got a ticket accordingly for it.

Again my point was not to say that "I'm cool b/c of the bike I ride" or that "I can go faster than anyone" or that "all cops are limp dicked losers". My point was that why should the cops bother me on what has already in this thread been described as a technicality? It seems to me that he could be spending my tax dollars gaining revenue from someone truly being a danger to the driving public. My "infraction" (whether or not it actually was one) is a technicality. Doing a wheelie leaving that parking lot, truly running the stop sign, going triple digits on any of the roads in the area are all examples of valid reasons to be stopped. Pull over one of those folks and stop bothering me. That was my point. As usual everyone has their biased opinions on how I am viewed and my reactions etc. I got my rant out and I feel better. Thanks to the internets for that.

1. Gear won't prevent a crash. Caution and skill may. The potential for conflict for a motorcyclist is greatest at intersections. Take more time at intersections to asess your surroundings.

2. Your entire post reeked of conceit, which will work itself out for better or worse over time. The attitude I perceived from your initial post is of the same type given by riders after a crash when they blame everything under the sun but their lack of skill or awareness.

3. I can't say what you actually told the officer when he pulled you over, but your post sounds like you gave him a ration of attitude for doing his job. You admit to having seen the cop, yet still didn't put a foot down - he had probable cause to pull you over based on the obvious difficulty the general riding public will have trying to balance a large stationary motorcycle with a pillion. He did what a reasonable person should expect him to do by pulling you over.

Etc.

By your own admission, you know that area to be a hotbed of squidliness. Any reasonable person would expect there to be heavy traffic enforcement in light of the sheer volume of recent motorcycle crashes. Bearing these points in mind, you should have expected to be pulled over for not putting a foot down, especially after admitting that the cop was in plain view. A resonable person would do whatever it takes to avoid a traffic stop under those conditions.

You think yourself better than those that ride less conservative motorcycles, those that assume greater risk than you do while riding, and those that wear less gear than you do. In my book, that makes you no better than those that may judge you for riding such a conservative motorcycle in a conservative manner.

Personally? I don't care what/how/when/where you ride, I'm not going to judge you by any of it, and I'm not going to bitch if I get jammed up by a cop for a legitimate reason. All riders are equal in my book, until they do something to jeopardize the safety of others, or until they treat me with less respect than I show them. I embrace diversity and do not judge others for taking whatever risks they feel necessary to enrich their lives. Living is about the experience, growth, and satisfaction one receives by taking mitigated risks. Living well is all about not allowing your own risk taking to jeopardize the safety or freedom of others, and allowing others to do the same as they see fit - this includes neither judging others nor suffering their judgement in kind.


-Q!

 

[longtallsally]

How will you react when another grumpy LEO has the gumption to initiate another traffic stop on you to discuss hanging a red warning flag on the rear of the bicycle for long loads?

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trucks/trucksize/overhang.htm

LAMP OR FLAG ON PROJECTIONS:
Per CVC Section 24604, whenever the load upon any vehicle extends, or whenever any integral part of any vehicle projects, to the rear four feet or more beyond the rear of the vehicle, as measured from the taillamps, there shall be displayed at the extreme end of the load or projecting part of the vehicle:

* a solid red or fluorescent orange flag or cloth not less than 12 inches square, or
* during darkness, in addition to the required taillamp, two red lights with a bulb rated not in excess of six candlepower plainly visible from a distance of at least 500 feet to the sides and rear.

We having fun yet?

Cool photo. I plan to share with friends.

You know, just when short fat bald cop was starting to listen to me, I actually mentioned the setup and I asked if I needed to put a flag or blinky dealio. He said yes, which I didn't argue with and I figured I needed to anyway. However, seeing aseven though I'm a regular law breaker and mennace to society, I've not been pulled over in 2 years of bike transport like this- even lane splitting by cruisers.

He also wanted to know if those were custom ear plugs or if I was "pumping music through them". Of course I lied my ass off just to keep his ignorant BS to a minimum. They impacted my ability to concentrate so much that I actually never saw him, pinned it and ran away and made this whole story up.

 

[herrsonic]

Those old guys Rangers up there are notorious for pulling over anyone they can for the smallest thing. Often times they pull over the slow guys, the ones not riding the crotch rockets. They have little else to do in their job except pick up trash and pull riders over. Then they get a sense of power by being able to lecture you and write a ticket. They're usually hiding out between 9/35 and 9/236. You can usually see them a mile away, and they always say "I've clocked people going 100+ mph" up there, but they never catch those guys. They rarely come down the front side of 9, and the Saratoga cops never go up the front side of 9. That's why the front side of 9 is a great ride, but due to people not riding their abilities, it's gotten such a bad reputation. That's my rant

 

[budbandit]

A complete stop is just that. Proof of moto complete stop is a foot down. Period. Take you shit elsewhere.

Which government agency pays your salary, I wonder?

Trust me, it is very possible to come to a complete stop without putting a foot down.

 

[longtallsally]

blah blah blah
-Q!

Whatever Confuscious. Bottom line, I didn't do anything worthy of getting pulled over especially considering the other stuff going on in the area at the same time. I don't think not putting a foot down was such a damming offense in the midst of all the ambulances going by from kids wearing no gear going 100 mph around turns. Take a look at the threads started just today or recently. How many involve a rider getting in over their head or accidents, or squids or whatever? Don't make me to be the bad guy in this, I just wanted to whine about a jerk pig who should be spending his time on more productive activities.

Pulling me over on a technicality such as this makes about as much sense as writing a ticket for jay walking while someone runs the traffic light.

But in your mind's eye, I am obviously some self absorbed arrogant bone head who thinks he knows better than everyone else and can do no wrong.

It was a rant about what I've said- a technicality- and nothing more. Don't bring some existential mish mosh into a simple complaint about getting harassed for no reason.

 

[louemc]

Does the law actually say you need to put a foot down or just "come to a complete stop" - meaning the wheels stop rotating? You can put a foot down and still be moving, and for some riders, it's possible to come to a stop and not put a foot down.

One Sunday morning, at the gas station gathering spot for "The Sunday Morning Ride", A cop lit up for a biker that made a normal stop at the intersection before turning into the Gas station lot. I didn't see the ticket get writen or talk to the guy, story was, there was a ticket, and for not putting two feet down. (I saw that he put one foot down) also, I don't know if the ticket held up in court, or was thrown out.

 

[Enchanter]

What, your argument is that most departments have policies without the moto foot down at the stop?

Talk about nonsense. A complete stop is just that. Proof of moto complete stop is a foot down. Period. Take you shit elsewhere.

You try but fail. Try replying with facts instead of your opinion. I'll even go as so far as to explain that policy and the law are two different things. I'll spell it out for you: The CVC does not require a motorcyclist to put their foot down at a stop. You reference department policy? What do you think would happen to an officer that tried to enforce a 'policy' that he can not back up with law? You are making shit up once again.

Do you not understand the definition of the word 'stop'? I'll list it here for you:
stop
15. to come to a stand, as in a course or journey; halt.
16. to cease moving, proceeding, speaking, acting, operating, etc.; to pause; desist.
17. to cease; come to an end.
(from www.dictionary.com)

You are a flowing fountain of misinformation.

Once again I ask you to please stop.

 

[Enchanter]

Pulling me over on a technicality such as this makes about as much sense as writing a ticket for jay walking while someone runs the traffic light.

It isn't a technicality. Technicality infers that it is a minor or little violation. Assuming you came to a complete stop, you did not violate the law. Period.

 

[Enchanter]

Feel better?

 

[Z3n]

Enchanter,

I'm telling you, MSF...wait...

whew, I'm not under the gun this time