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Coal Rolling?

Kornholio said:
They're allowed because they're more efficient than a gasoline engine. They've been used heavily in small setups in Europe for decades. When properly maintained, there's nothing wrong with a diesel engine in and of itself. It's the operator that bears the responsibility of maintaining it properly. 95% of diesel-powered small cars are never going to reach their service life limits like the heavy and many medium-duty vocations will. The owners will never require a complete tear down and rebuild of the engine in order to maintain OEM specifications. They will likely never blow rings, drop a valve, clog their fuel systems with junk diesel or the use of non-approved additives or never fail to do simple things like change their damn oil. This is the story of the typical fleet and even owner-operators...although the latter is generally more meticulous since they have more to lose.
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But earlier you said that a top-maintained diesel is still going to pollute more than a top-maintained gasoline engine.

If that's true on a per-mile basis, as in a 335d pollutes more than a 335 over the exact same route, then the only advantage of diesel is that it saves the owner money. At the expense of the environment.
 
byke said:
Not to get too crazy, but doesn't it also take much less energy to refine crude to diesel as opposed crude to gas?
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My understanding is that it depends on the crude, but generally I think you are correct that diesel is easier to extract. That's why middle eastern crude is so valuable. Very easy to extract octane.

From a pollution standpoint, it's not such a big deal. But from a CO2/climate change standpoint, it's definitely significant.

Reli said:
But earlier you said that a top-maintained diesel is still going to pollute more than a top-maintained gasoline engine.

If that's true on a per-mile basis, as in a 335d pollutes more than a 335 over the exact same route, then the only advantage of diesel is that it saves the owner money. At the expense of the environment.
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That depend on what you want to include in the definition of "pollutant." Diesel emits less CO2 per mile, theoretically, and according to some people that's the worst pollutant out there. From a climate change standpoint, maybe, but from a human health standpoint, absolutely not.

Adding complexity to this, diesels emit more NOx, and the reason that's bad is because NOX leads to ozone formation. But in "NOx-saturated" atmopheres, additional NOx actually inhibits ozone formation. There is a lot of nuance to air pollution, what's bad, what's worse, and where.
 
Silly trucks :laughing
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ps. This type of shit is why all ships are required to go "cold iron" in the port now.
 
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KWeezyXB12 said:
hate on me all you want but im curious if you know anything about removing the turbo silencer ring on a cummins?
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Never done it.

Reli said:
But earlier you said that a top-maintained diesel is still going to pollute more than a top-maintained gasoline engine.

If that's true on a per-mile basis, as in a 335d pollutes more than a 335 over the exact same route, then the only advantage of diesel is that it saves the owner money. At the expense of the environment.
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Except that the 335d has an after-treatment system to handle the soot and ash. The petrol 335 does not have anything like that. The diesel model is in fact cleaner at the tailpipe than the petrol model. Also, at least in the U.S., the diesel equivalent of a petrol-powered car is typically more expensive. So you're not saving by just buying the car over the petrol version. In Europe, this is not typically the case because the buying power of the diesel-minded buyer is higher. More people purchase them so the manufacturers have to be more competitive.
 
I've spent some time down in the engine compartments on installs. The nautical stuff we sell dwarfs anything the truck market uses.

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It is a violation of the [Clean Air Act] to manufacture, sell, or install a part for a motor vehicle that bypasses, defeats, or renders inoperative any emission control device. For example, computer software that alters diesel fuel injection timing is a defeat device. Defeat devices, which are often sold to enhance engine performance, work by disabling a vehicle’s emission controls, causing air pollution. As a result of EPA enforcement, some of the largest manufacturers of defeat devices have agreed to pay penalties and stop the sale of defeat devices
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Some of the comments are pretty funny, my own take on it has always been that:

Old cars and trucks are cool, work trucks and beaters are cool - and yeah, they can be a bit loud, but they if the are used as intended (to do actual work) that's fine - but if you go out and modify a NEW vehicle to be louder/dirtier so that you can feel better about yourself, then you are probably a douchebag.
 
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Hawaiirider said:
It is a violation of the [Clean Air Act] to manufacture, sell, or install a part for a motor vehicle that bypasses, defeats, or renders inoperative any emission control device. For example, computer software that alters diesel fuel injection timing is a defeat device. Defeat devices, which are often sold to enhance engine performance, work by disabling a vehicle’s emission controls, causing air pollution. As a result of EPA enforcement, some of the largest manufacturers of defeat devices have agreed to pay penalties and stop the sale of defeat devices
Read more at http://wonkette.com/553644/prius-dr...-coming-for-yer-trucknutz#JMb51gegscgbbyTs.99
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not banks products. i have CARB stickers for all my shit
 
KWeezyXB12 said:
not banks products. i have CARB stickers for all my shit
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I don't know about Banks, but some manufacturers have been caught supplying fake CARB stickers with their equipment. If there's no Executive Order number on the sticker, I wouldn't trust it at all.
 
Kornholio said:
I don't know about Banks, but some manufacturers have been caught supplying fake CARB stickers with their equipment. If there's no Executive Order number on the sticker, I wouldn't trust it at all.
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my stickers have E.Os and are legit, just smogged my truck 2 weeks ago and they saw my 6 gun and gave me shit but then i showed them the CARB sticker and they were like oh thats fine then
 
KWeezyXB12 said:
my stickers have E.Os and are legit, just smogged my truck 2 weeks ago and they saw my 6 gun and gave me shit but then i showed them the CARB sticker and they were like oh thats fine then
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They didn't see it on their own? :laughing
 
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