College campuses as safe spaces for students

[Stormdragon]

You need to buy a sense of humor.

I have a perfectly good one right here. Still in the wrapper. I just refuse to take it out because I don't want it's value to drop.

 

[MikeL]

The biggest problem with a lot of this country - from the heads of the government to the children - is that people are less concerned with what is right and more concerned with getting their way.

We don't have civil discourse anymore. It's a political and cultural climate where getting your way is more important than anything else. This is on both ends to the spectrum from extreme "right" to "extreme" left. Shout until the other person gives up and you get your way, even if it fucks everyone else. Because bruised egos have become the new death that everyone fears.

Admitting you're wrong is damn difficult it seems. Especially when you're in a position of power.

 

[RRR70]

http://www.nationalreview.com/yale-free-speech-protest-ironic

 

[Karbon]

http://www.nationalreview.com/yale-free-speech-protest-ironic

It's quite a whiney fluff piece.

 

[RRR70]

It's quite a whiney fluff piece.

Whiney?
I thought is was spot on.

 

[MikeL]

Whiney?
I thought is was spot on.

It’s fashionable to blame Yale and other elite institutions for this sorry state of affairs, but, while the colleges certainly do their share of damage, the truth is that these children are maladjusted buffoons when they show up in New Haven.

Anyone who believes higher education is a negative is not worth giving one second of thought to.

 

[RRR70]

Anyone who believes higher education is a negative is not worth giving one second of thought to.

I don't think that what he said. He blames parents for raising up those kids and shielding them from the real life.

 

[jdhu]

Anyone who believes higher education is a negative is not worth giving one second of thought to.

I skimmed, but also didn't think he considered it a net negative, just that there can be "damage."

Anyway, definitely agree with him, although the name-calling detracts from his point, as it always does.

 

[RRR70]

Anyway, definitely agree with him, although the name-calling detracts from his point, as it always does.

Sometimes you gotta call spade a spade.

 

[MikeL]

I don't think that what he said. He blames parents for raising up those kids and shielding them from the real life.

I skimmed, but also didn't think he considered it a net negative, just that there can be "damage."

Anyway, definitely agree with him, although the name-calling detracts from his point, as it always does.

Sometimes you gotta call spade a spade.

He is LITERALLY claiming colleges damage those who attend. He LITERALLY says they do damage. How is that not a negative?

 

[RRR70]

Read what you quoted. "Share of damage". "maladjusted buffoons when they show up in New Haven.".

 

[jdhu]

He is LITERALLY claiming colleges damage those who attend. He LITERALLY says they do damage. How is that not a negative?

Guess it's semantics and up to interpretation, and probably reflects how we feel on the issue.

He says, "It’s fashionable to blame Yale and other elite institutions for this sorry state of affairs, but, while the colleges certainly do their share of damage, the truth is that these children are maladjusted buffoons when they show up in New Haven."

So, for one thing, it's "the" colleges, seemingly referring to "Yale and other elite institutions." Also, the way I interpret it is that these colleges do damage in some ways, but that doesn't mean they don't also provide benefits (for example, instruction and a degree).

 

[planegray]

He is LITERALLY claiming colleges damage those who attend. He LITERALLY says they do damage. How is that not a negative?

You mad bro ?

"you're either with us, or agin' us "

 

[Karbon]

Lol its the National Review, it a Conservative rag, and specufically, its a fluff peice made to ellicit warm and fuzzy sentiments and coddle your sense of righteousnes and allows you to wallow in confirmation bias of the pejorative idea of what a constitutes a liberal. Its a shitty blog post.

The real take away is their parents raised them with false expectations and that entitled assholes come in all stripes.

 

[MikeL]

Read what you quoted. "Share of damage"

Exactly. HE IS CLAIMING THEY DO DAMAGE. Read what you're saying. "share" meaning they do damage. He's not claiming they do all damage, he's claiming they are damaging. Which is wrong.

Rant below:

I don't agree with the Yale bullshit or that conservative author, but that author is classic bullshit.

He's the typical ultra conservative who believes anything that deters from his mental gymnastics is negative and shouldn't be taught. AKA Liberal colleges are teaching our children about things I don't agree with so they are all bad and are ruining 'MERICUH. Which is this really narrow mindset.

It's funny how actual research by top universities that actually PROVE something is discounted as "liberal agenda" when it doesn't fit the conservative mindset. That shit gets old. When someone has factual evidence proving something wrong, it's not an agenda, it's fact. Peer reviewed, researched fact. Until another set of research actually discounts the previous research, it stands.

The reason most colleges are "liberal" is because conservative mindset detracts from furthering education. It's very nature and definition is about NOT pushing things further. Education at a Yale level is not High School, it's not about teaching you the old. You know the old, you studied it. It's about expanding our knowledge through research.

The reason I don't agree with the neo-con movements (just as I don't agree with neo-liberal movements) is because of this train of thought. They both dress up and walk around as if they are supporting freedom for people but they are the exact opposite. They BOTH want to shut down free speech, freedom of expression, and impose their views on others.

 

[MikeL]

Guess it's semantics and up to interpretation, and probably reflects how we feel on the issue.

He says, "It’s fashionable to blame Yale and other elite institutions for this sorry state of affairs, but, while the colleges certainly do their share of damage, the truth is that these children are maladjusted buffoons when they show up in New Haven."

So, for one thing, it's "the" colleges, seemingly referring to "Yale and other elite institutions." Also, the way I interpret it is that these colleges do damage in some ways, but that doesn't mean they don't also provide benefits (for example, instruction and a degree).

I didn't assume he meant ONLY Yale, he's talking about "liberal" colleges in general as most utlra conservatives do. See my above post.

He's claiming that colleges which are "liberal" by his definition damage youth who enter by "brain washing" them into believing the "liberal" agenda.

While, yes, I know he doesn't directly say that, ultra conservatives have been saying that for awhile now. That bastions of education are destroying our country by "brain washing our youth with LIBERAL AGENDA!!!" When in reality, they just don't like that a lot of research by these institutions is actually proving many classic conservative political and ideologies false.

These topics include but are not limited to scientific research and economic policies.

 

[jdhu]

I didn't assume he meant ONLY Yale, he's talking about "liberal" colleges in general as most utlra conservatives do. See my above post.

He's claiming that colleges which are "liberal" by his definition damage youth who enter by "brain washing" them into believing the "liberal" agenda.

While, yes, I know he doesn't directly say that, ultra conservatives have been saying that for awhile now. That bastions of education are destroying our country by "brain washing our youth with LIBERAL AGENDA!!!" When in reality, they just don't like that a lot of research by these institutions is actually proving many classic conservative political and ideologies false.

These topics include but are not limited to scientific research and economic policies.

I don't disagree in any way that the article is slanted. I'm simply pointing out that what you read into it is based on your thoughts on the issue, and the same applies to me.

 

[MikeL]

I don't disagree in any way that the article is slanted. I'm simply pointing out that what you read into it is based on your thoughts on the issue, and the same applies to me.

True, but I can't stand articles that are so damn biased. His background and what he covers/how he covers it plus the location of the article is all I need to know that it's extensively slanted.

 

[jdhu]

True, but I can't stand articles that are so damn biased. His background and what he covers/how he covers it plus the location of the article is all I need to know that it's extensively slanted.

I know, I agree. It made my eyes roll a bit, with his name-calling and over-the-top assertions.

Since I generally agree with the notion that a lot of colleges and their students are overly PC to the point of stifling speech, I'm kind of sympathetic when someone points that out.

 

[MikeL]

I know, I agree. It made my eyes roll a bit, with his name-calling and over-the-top assertions.

Since I generally agree with the notion that a lot of colleges and their students are overly PC to the point of stifling speech, I'm kind of sympathetic when someone points that out.

Oh, I totally agree. I've had my fair share of "run-ins" with professors that sucked because they were extensively biased. But the majority of professors I had were generally very open to debate and based their stances on research and not agendas.

I had ultra conservative Texas born and raised professors, I've had ultra hippie annoying professors.

The best were those who allowed you to think but showed you the evidence when you were wrong and why. Not just shutting you down.

The students who were ultra PC were in the minority when I was in school. The vast majority of students really only debated their studies and anything outside that realm was kinda under the mindset of "Live and let live, do whatever the fuck you want but don't impose it on me."