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Composite Party 1/27: The Sequel

Folks, you can get a nice little pump like the one I have for about $100 on ebay. Mine is a GAST. You want something that pulls at least 20 inches - mine gets to about 23 by my gauge.
Yes, there are other supplies to buy but if you're going to go to the time and trouble of making a PVC hand vacuum pump, better to do an internet seach on 'make vacuum pump' and find the overview of how to use an old refrigerator motor to make one.
But again, just like the very carbon parts we're making:
If you can buy it, it's likely cheaper than making it yourself.
Just my $.02...

And what would a discussion of vacuum pumps be if we didn't offer up at least one:

You suck

:applause
 
Dang, That's Awesome!! I wish you were a little closer, I would love to go and learn how to do carbon fiber!

I have a question, I had some small fenders made for a pocketbike, and the guy told me he had to buff it out to make it shiny?? (one fender has more of a gloss) is it simply buffed??or is it sprayed with clear?? Thanks for any Info.....Great Videos!! at least it gives me an idea on how it's done




tygaboy said:
What a day! Lots of attendees, lots of heel guards, lots of fun. We're doing what we can to organize all the pics and videos and we'll get things posted ASAP.

EDITED 2/2/07: The first of the video is available! Big thanks to Vic for making this happen.

Part 1 (using back of part as mold)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_fKlDzemPY

Part 2 (laying carbon fiber)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWiSSLPf6JI

Part 3 (vacuum bagging)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12pUg9ypVU
 
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woof said:
Dang, That's Awesome!! I wish you were a little closer, I would love to go and learn how to do carbon fiber!

I have a question, I had some small fenders made for a pocketbike, and the guy told me he had to buff it out to make it shiny?? (one fender has more of a gloss) is it simply buffed??or is it sprayed with clear?? Thanks for any Info.....Great Videos!! at least it gives me an idea on how it's done

Come on - Stockton isn't that far away!
Re: your fenders, it's hard to say without seeing them. It's possible that the outermost layer of epoxy can be polished and it may be that it was clear coated. But if the mold is shiny, the part made in that mold will be shiny - no polishing required. Clear coat is a good idea to prevent UV damage/yellowing and it allows for the part to be sanded to remove any imperfections that may exist in the finished part.
 
And here's the final part, mounted on the bike (with newly painted trackday fairings as well :teeth)

Black CF and the yellow fairings go very well together, I think I'm gonna have to make some more CF bling parts!

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zeefrenchspy said:
And here's the final part, mounted on the bike (with newly painted trackday fairings as well :teeth)

Cool-a-mundo! Looks nice. Not bad for a few $ and an afternoon's work.

BTW, what, exactly, did you use for the clear coat? Rattle can, which brand, technique? Just curious as I've never clearcoated my stuff but would like to see what it looks like...
 
I used some U-POL #1 clear coat since it's what I had on hand. It's rattle can and I sprayed about 3 coats on them. The finish is better than what we started with (open-air layup), but I don't think it would be better than a vacuum bagged piece. will have to test out if it's worth doing on vacuum'ed pieces that already had a nice surface.
 
well i finally did it, i got my supplies on Monday and go to work. Here are the pics of the things i've done so far. As you can see it looks like i had some pockets of air.

Chris, do i need to start again or can these pieces be saved somehow (clear coat). Also do i need to sand them before i put the clear coat. let me know, Thank you

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snoop GP said:
well i finally did it, i got my supplies on Monday and go to work. Here are the pics of the things i've done so far. As you can see it looks like i had some pockets of air.

Chris, do i need to start again or can these pieces be saved somehow (clear coat). Also do i need to sand them before i put the clear coat. let me know, Thank you


OK, good job on getting in there and starting to DIY.
Let's start with what causes those flaws. What you have there are the air bubbles that can form due to "bridging". From the pics, it looks like shot #2 is the best example. See how at the base (or peak, depending on how you're looking at it) the carbon lifted and "bridged" across the space? You need to watch those trickier areas. You can manipulate the carbon to force it to lay down in those sorts of areas or you can let the first layer of epoxy get tacky so that when you press in the first layer of carbon, it sticks and can't lift.
In terms of what you can do to fix them, from what I can see in the pics, I'd mix up a bit of epoxy and dab it into the bad spots. It may take a couple times but if you overflow these spots then come back and sand the entire part before clear coating, you should be OK. I've done this and it works - provided you take your time and be sure that you've filled the problem areas with enough epoxy so you can sand it to the same surface level as the rest of the part.
The other thing that can cause these is not fully wetting out the part. The pic that causes me to think that is shot # 4. There doesn't look like there would be any real reason for a bubble in that part of a flat section. What MAY have caused it is too much overhang. The weight of the overhang could have caused a lift. But it's hard to tell from the pics.
To combat this, paint on the first layer of epoxy in an amount that allows you to wet out the carbon more by drawing the epoxy through the carbon from underneath than by trying to force the epoxy down through the carbon. Drawing up from underneath will tend to force air out whereas wetting out from above creates a higher possibility of pushing air into the layup. Also, be sure each layer is fully wetted out before adding the next layer.
Not sure what else I can offer with out seeing the part or knowing more about how you did the layup.
But again, great first effort. Keep in mind this is a learned skill and you will get better as you develop your skills and experience.
Try the layup again, take your time and you'll see better parts each time.
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Thanks for the advise. Like you pointed it out, i believe that i did two things wrong. I waited too long to put the first layer in. I was waiting for the epoxy to get tacky and i think i just over did it. The other thing is the overhand. When i was laying up the third layer i saw that i had too much overhand so i started to cut some of it off. This is probably when the bubbles happen. I press down the layers after, but i guess by that time the epoxy was drying out (since i waited too long to put the first layer in). I will try to save these pieces, but i will try another layup this weekend. The other projects i'm working on is the rear hugger, fiberglass tailpiece and front fender, but i will do the front fender last. I'm waiting for you to finish yours because i want to get some ideas. The R1 front fender has some tight spots that i'm devating if i should make it in 3 pieces (top, R leg, L leg) and just put it together at the end, i guess i'll just wait and see what happens.

Again thank you
 
tygaboy

Is tygaboy still doing workshops? I found some tapes on YouTube. I'd like to attend a session. Anyone know how I can find him? (Thanks greatly!)
 
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be1002b said:
Is tygaboy still doing workshops? I found some tapes on YouTube. I'd like to attend a session. Anyone know how I can find him? (Thanks greatly!)

You could just shoot him a PM.
 
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