Constitutional "Patch" Protection?

[Marcoose]

oh...so now you are into attack mode? gotta luv you clowns who resort to attacks when people don't agree 100% with you. Speaking of hate

You evidently have issues. I'm really sorry.

Do you actually run a "for profit establishment?"

Like a pub? No. I run a small consulting business that turns a buck. I don't allow intolerance and supremacy from my clients.

 

[MysterYvil]

Like a pub? No. I run a small consulting business that turns a buck. I don't allow intolerance and supremacy from my clients.

And how many clients have you turned down because of their "intolerance and supremacy?" Please feel free to supply anecdotes.

 

[Marcoose]

And how many clients have you turned down because of their "intolerance and supremacy?" Please feel free to supply anecdotes.

I'm not PriceWaterhouseCoopers with thousands of clients. I wish. But that said, none of my (few) clients wear nonsense patches and colors in my presence. They do, however, wear cure bracelets and ribbons. I'm OK with that.

Sorry, no flaming anecdotes to share.

 

[n10sive]

You evidently have issues. I'm really sorry.

At least I'm not an intolerant bigot. Yeah...that is what you demonstrated here. "Nobody in my establishment that doesn't comply with my demands of NO FREE SPEECH or showing signs of free expression!"

Talking about "thick", you just really really don't get it do you. Yeah, you have a right to throw a guy out if he shows up dressed as Hitler during someones Bar mitzvah at your place, but you don't have a right to throw someone out because they are wearing a pink tutu just because you don't like it, or THINK he might be gay. It doesn't work that way.

YOUR place would be soon filled with other intolerant bigots that enjoy your "GTFO of my place" attitude.

 

[MysterYvil]

I'm not PriceWaterhouseCoopers with thousands of clients. I wish. But that said, none of my (few) clients wear nonsense patches and colors in my presence. They do, however, wear cure bracelets and ribbons. I'm OK with that.

Sorry, no flaming anecdotes to share.

So, you have never actually turned down a chance to make money in order to uphold your values.

Duly noted...

Your opinions in this matter are now officially full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

[MysterYvil]

MysterYvil likely would have had breakfast at the venue of his choice if he had parked his motorcycle around the corner and left the jacket on the motorcycle - yes, it is true - he was discriminated against but not because of a racial issue. Stereotypes are a problem but he can be pretty sure it wasn't because of being "white" (merely an outsider and outnumbered).

So if I had left my motorcycle-riding-identity at the "back of the bus" everything would have been hunky-dory and I should have been happy to get served?

Sorry, but it's very simple: prejudice is prejudice, no exceptions. That's what I taught my kids, and what I teach my grandkids.

(And yep, I'm "white," but where I grew up I was a Ciceronian first, and white a distant second. Ask me about being profiled sometime...)

 

[Marcoose]

At least I'm not an intolerant bigot. Yeah...that is what you demonstrated here. "Nobody in my establishment that doesn't comply with my demands of NO FREE SPEECH or showing signs of free expression!"

Talking about "thick", you just really really don't get it do you. Yeah, you have a right to throw a guy out if he shows up dressed as Hitler during someones Bar mitzvah at your place, but you don't have a right to throw someone out because they are wearing a pink tutu just because you don't like it, or THINK he might be gay. It doesn't work that way.

YOUR place would be soon filled with other intolerant bigots that enjoy your "GTFO of my place" attitude.

How did I go from condemning intolerance and bigotry to being an intolerant bigot? I'm really sorry for you. You have real issues. Let me know if I can help. I mean it.

So, you have never actually turned down a chance to make money in order to uphold your values.

That I have. Many times. But not "my" values, rather common decency values.

 

[MysterYvil]

How did I go from condemning intolerance and bigotry to being an intolerant bigot?

Because you come off as the contemporary trendy-and-acceptable type of intolerant bigot? The kind who thinks nothing of redneck jokes, but takes offense at "fill-in-the-nonwhite-blank" jokes?

That I have. Many times. But not "my" values, rather common decency values.

Again, (and not looking for "flaming" ones), but give us an anecdote or two. Otherwise you're just another apologist and/or poser.

 

[VicTim]

I was kicked out of a UPS store several years ago because the woman didn't like the look on my face. I over it and went accross town to another UPS store. Big deal, is that discrimination? Who cares.

 

[Marcoose]

Because you come off as the contemporary trendy-and-acceptable type of intolerant bigot? The kind who thinks nothing of redneck jokes, but takes offense at "fill-in-the-nonwhite-blank" jokes?

Again, (and not looking for "flaming" ones), but give us an anecdote or two. Otherwise you're just another apologist and/or poser.

First above is just plain trolling. (BTW, I can appreciate all sorts of good jokes.)

Re anecdote, I passed on a very good location for a 535MW plant on the south side of Greenville, MS, because the seller insisted in using the word nigger. The location was so good, it didn't get flooded in the last 2 serious floods of the Mississippi. We would've paid a million bucks for it. But I couldn't do it. Many of my best friends are black.

If owned a diner, and you, your children and grandchildren were enjoying a milkshake, and a patron walked in with a patch saying "proud to lust after children", I'd say, "sorry, not here". And that's that.

 

[bluenoser]

If owned a diner, and you, your children and grandchildren were enjoying a milkshake, and a patron walked in with a patch saying "proud to lust after children", I'd say, "sorry, not here". And that's that.

Good to know pedobear/Chris Hansen "have a seat" jokes are not for you.

I feel sorry for you. You have issues, man.

 

[CurveSurfer]

That's the whole point: the CO legislator is attempting to create/add a protected class!

Yes, but the bikers they are trying to protect are making arguments based on the First Amendment, mixing the issues.

Should business owners be forced to serve patrons wearing KKK hoods and gowns? No way.

Business have the right to refuse service to patrons behaving in a way that's likely to incite violence. Same as nightclubs banning red/blue bandanas.

Just like the KKK, patched-up bikers can "express themselves" in their clubhouse or visit businesses that cater to them.

 

[n10sive]

n10sive, I'm not sure if you are being fatuous because you are trolling, or if you really fail to see the difference in what you suggest. By stating "Proud to be White" on a badge like that - you're branding yourself as incredibly insensitive, oblivious or just downright mean.

Not trolling...and obviously you need the same lesson. You don't get to pick and chose what tickles your sensitivity button. You and InNoHurry just don't get it obviously.

But let me spell this out. InNoHurry says basically that "if you aren't wearing 'colors' I support (the proper pink bracelet), then you are not welcome in my establishment'. It doesn't matter your cause, you're still a bigot since you are still using YOUR STANDARDS to judge other people. MysterYvil is case in point. He did nothing but wear the wrong jacket into a restaurant run by bigots and sheep. So he didn't get served. If he were wearing "Bikers for Christ" on that jacket, I'm sure it would be a different story. He NEVER got the chance to show that he was a normal person, who would just eat a meal and possibly leave a nice tip....all because of a jacket

Sensitivity has no bearing in anything. If it did, there would be no Gay Rights, no Nation of Islam, no Churches...nada. We would live in a paralyzed, politically correct nation. People have to live with a little bit of discomfort or we can't call ourselves a "free nation".

And yes, I am old enough, and have been discriminated against, and had my ass beat enough based on MY race, that I am basically over it. Fuck yeah I am proud to be white. Doesn't mean I hate other colors or people. That's a bullshit leap to think one causes another. People can be proud of whatever it is that makes them identify with themselves as long as it doesn't mean taking advantage of others (and no, I have never been, nor would I ever be involved in slavery, in case someone wants to pin that atrocity on me). I've seen TONS of "Black Pride" stickers in my day. Should we start throwing Blacks out of restaurants again now too because of it? I mean really...who the hell gives a shit.

I don't set myself apart from others and consider all men equal. I don't need, nor would I wear such a patch. But I'm not ashamed of how I was born, nor will I let someone tell me I should be. The "insensitivity" is from people who want to push their own morals on me.

 

[Angel-be-Good]

Businesses are just people, let people do whatever they want with the things they own. If they don't want you in there because you're barefoot, or wearing a Ducati thong or a 1% patch, that's their prerogative.

 

[lam@barf]

Since the public health codes cover "no shoes, no shirts, etc" the only purpose for a "We retain the right to refuse service" signs or legends on menus is to discriminate and/or segregate.
If I see that anywhere on the premises I leave and take my money elsewhere.

 

[n10sive]

I think you still don't get it - and I don't "need" a "lesson" from you.



You really don't get it. At all. Probably never will.

I get lots of things. Probably a lot more than someone living in a jaded society.

We also have a difference of opinion so no need to insult. Just shows a lack of intelligence.

 

[TheRiddler]

Since the public health codes cover "no shoes, no shirts, etc" the only purpose for a "We retain the right to refuse service" signs or legends on menus is to discriminate and/or segregate.
If I see that anywhere on the premises I leave and take my money elsewhere.

I always thought those signs were reserved for douchebags. If someone is being extremely rude the manager/owner could decide not to serve them.

That's what we did at a shop I used to work for. If the customer was rude and demanding without reason, out they went. Skin color, religion, bike of choice, etc. made no difference. If you want to be treated respectfully you better treat others the same way.

 

[lam@barf]

I always thought those signs were reserved for douchebags. If someone is being extremely rude the manager/owner could decide not to serve them.

That's what we did at a shop I used to work for. If the customer was rude and demanding without reason, out they went. Skin color, religion, bike of choice, etc. made no difference. If you want to be treated respectfully you better treat others the same way.

Actually the most infamous use of the slogan was in segregation states to refuse admittance and/or service to African-Americans. It was often extended to cover anyone the white christian supremacist establishment decided didn't behave in a way that supported their social/political views.

This is at the heart of why it can't ever be justified. Discrimination is discrimination no matter who it's directed at. I won't refuse you a seat or service if I don't like your politics but I will tell you if I think your behaviour is inappropriate including passive provocation.

 

[MysterYvil]

First above is just plain trolling. (BTW, I can appreciate all sorts of good jokes.)

Re anecdote, I passed on a very good location for a 535MW plant on the south side of Greenville, MS, because the seller insisted in using the word nigger. The location was so good, it didn't get flooded in the last 2 serious floods of the Mississippi. We would've paid a million bucks for it. But I couldn't do it. Many of my best friends are black.

If owned a diner, and you, your children and grandchildren were enjoying a milkshake, and a patron walked in with a patch saying "proud to lust after children", I'd say, "sorry, not here". And that's that.

An accusation of trolling from a poster who turns pretty much everything into a "racial" issue? Are you serious?

("535MW plant" dings nothing anywhere, so I'm sorry, not I'm buying your milliion-dollar-loser story... And BTW, "Many of my best friends are black" doesn't work either way!)

Would you also equate a diner with an open DAR, LULAC, or NAACP affiliation with a child molestor? And even if you do, I'll look out after my children and grandchildren, I don't need you to do a thing. When we go to diners we're more concerned with the food and service than we are with other patrons' attire, so don't try to do us any favors.

 

[n10sive]

Tl;dr