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Dave Chappelle

TylerW said:
What would happen to you if I watched the show and felt the same way?
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Nothing would happen to me.

Just attempting to bring clarity to your obvious confusion of the "twitter isn't a real place" post as no one prior to me bothered to do so.
 
This might be my ignorance but I never believe a single story a comedian says. Ever. I think reality sometimes inspires aspects of the joke, but other than maybe the Daphne ending, no chance any of the other jokes flirted reality.

As an example, I don't think Chappelle was followed all around the mall and confronted at his car. I don't think he met that lady's mother at the bar, let alone met the woman's daughter a few days later at the bar who also wanted to fight him.

Comedians are storytellers by profession. From my perspective, the intent isn't to psychoanalyze each word and anecdote, but rather accept the fibbing and massive exaggerations as part of the show. It is more enjoyable that way.
 
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I have watched all of his specials and enjoy how he took me through various twists and turns. This special I found myself not laughing as much. Comedians create the space for us to think and react, entertainment it is called. I was entertained.

Tyler-give it a chance and check it out. What have you got to lose?
 
Eldritch said:
They would give your criticisms more cred?
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Do I need to watch a Comedy show to be a credible critic of TERFs, terrible people or truthfulness?

My criticisms of "The Closer" have been scant, purposefully.
 
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insyder said:
It was a joke in the show. The show you didn't watch.
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Something else he specifically called out by the way. Hell, I'll just crib from Cheez's transcript here...

Dave Chappelle said:
I am exaggerating, she is actually a very nice person and I’m cool with her now, but boy, that shit got on my nerves. And it got on my nerves because, whenever someone says that to me I know they have never seen me for themselves, they just repeat what they’ve heard.
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TylerW said:
My point is, I don't you very well. When you speak knowledgeably about something, I take you at your word. I may not agree with you, but I recognize you are speaking honestly. When you speak about yourself- that's the best truth you could possibly know. I accept it as the truth.

If a comedian says something about themselves, should I assume its a lie, because they're a comedian?
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DynastySS said:
This might be my ignorance but I never believe a single story a comedian says. Ever. I think reality sometimes inspires aspects of the joke, but other than maybe the Daphne ending, no chance any of the other jokes flirted reality.

As an example, I don't think Chappelle was followed all around the mall and confronted at his car. I don't think he met that lady's mother at the bar, let alone met the woman's daughter a few days later at the bar who also wanted to fight him.

Comedians are storytellers by profession. From my perspective, the intent isn't to psychoanalyze each word and anecdote, but rather accept the fibbing and massive exaggerations as part of the show. It is more enjoyable that way.
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Reference above where he clearly states he's exaggerating for the sake of the comedic effect.

I mean for fuck's sake this is the guy who gave us Clayton Bigsby and the Player Hater's Ball at the same time.

There's probably about 10% truth and 90% made-up-for-the-controversy-and-laughs material.

It sure as shit got him a lot of free advertising - I didn't even know he had a new special out. He also starts the show by saying it'll be his last one for a while. I'd be willing to bet that's at least in part due to him knowing full well the controversy the show will spawn and wanting to push the edge without going over it, and giving time for things to settle back down before he pokes them again.

The show came across as a bit edgier than usual, but I think that was primarily due to exactly the issues he's addressing - a current predilection for "rage now, understand / discuss later". None of this material would have hit nearly as hard 20 years ago. In today's environment? It's like lighting off a firework in a library. Several moments of "holy shit did he just say that", plenty of laughs, a masterful telling of an emotional roller coaster that you could tell came from the heart, and a way for him to walk a fine line between both sides of the issue where he knows he can't please everyone so he might as well piss them off equally while still paying tribute to his friend and dropping some little truth-M80s.
 
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TylerW said:
Do I need to watch a Comedy show to be a credible critic of TERFs, terrible people or truthfulness?

My criticisms of "The Closer" have been scant, purposefully.
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No you do not need to watch the show to be a credible critic of those issues.
I wanted to see how you would react if you actually watched it. He creates laughter then goes into exploration of edgy material. I thought it was an experience not to be missed. I laughed and then 30 seconds later I was pissed.
 
TylerW said:
My point is, I don't you very well. When you speak knowledgeably about something, I take you at your word. I may not agree with you, but I recognize you are speaking honestly. When you speak about yourself- that's the best truth you could possibly know. I accept it as the truth.

If a comedian says something about themselves, should I assume its a lie, because they're a comedian?
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Yes
 
TylerW said:
Do I need to watch a Comedy show to be a credible critic of TERFs, terrible people or truthfulness?

My criticisms of "The Closer" have been scant, purposefully.
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I certainly don't think so, but this thread is about that show and David Chapelle. Dude was calling that in as the focus on topic

:dunno
 
It wasn’t as good as his previous ones, but I enjoyed it.

That being said I’m mostly sick of the zeitgeist being “complain about some aspect of political culture”.

It’s not a special I’d watch again.
 
kevin 714 said:
It wasn’t as good as his previous ones, but I enjoyed it.

That being said I’m mostly sick of the zeitgeist being “complain about some aspect of political culture”.

It’s not a special I’d watch again.
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Agreed. I've watched "Sticks and Stones" several times though.
 
kevin 714 said:
It wasn’t as good as his previous ones, but I enjoyed it.

That being said I’m mostly sick of the zeitgeist being “complain about some aspect of political culture”.

It’s not a special I’d watch again.
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I agree that the last one made me laugh a lot harder, but this one managed to literally make me cry. So, I thought they both brought out a similar level (although different) emotions out of me. To me, they were both good in different ways.
 
Just finished it. I enjoyed it. Agree with the general tone of his special even though I cringed at some of it. Had to look up Daphne and her last post on Twitter before taking her life hit me hard. But that's just this one cishet's opinion, which may or may not be valid in a court of law...
 
Melissa said:
did you have additional emotions? I was angry at times.
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I just kept waiting for him to say something that was actually funny. He just talked endlesly about himself. I guess if you're already invested in the work and career of Dave Chappelle, you might find it funny, but if this was your introduction to him, there's just nothing there.

Some of my takeaways:

- I feel like the entire show was 72 minutes of whataboutisms
- Dave should review the history of Stonewall
- Using his friend's suicide as a prop for his comedy is absolutely shameful. That entire segment sounded like "some of my best friends are black"
- His entire take on cancelling is ridiculous. Actions have consequences. If you say something that upsets people, you need to assume that you're going to lose some of your audience. You may game some as well. That's just how it goes.
- I don't think the show was so offensive that Netflix should consider taking the show offline. I just think it's a lousy, disappointing show.
- I've never heard of DaBaby.
 
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TylerW said:
- I've never heard of DaBaby.
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Same.

Had to YouTube him. Made it to 1 minute of the first video that popped up and him rapping about "kill a nigga" and "murder for therapy" and checked out. Not my thing.
 
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