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Do Harley's Attract More Women?

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Reli said:
Many of us work in that kind of environment, and teh interwebz gives us a way to "escape" from the PC nonsense.
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Ok, but then we end up in the "nO gUrlZ Aloud" clubhouse .... who wants THAT ? ! :thumbdown
 
planegray said:
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Ok, but then we end up in the "nO gUrlZ Aloud" clubhouse .... who wants THAT ? ! :thumbdown
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That would be the "He Man Women Haters Club" care of Spanky and Our Gang.
 
Rape as a term isn't what's offensive - a joke where a rape victim is the butt of the joke is what's offensive. Louis CK's jokes on rape are hilarious because the subtext isnt about how rape victims are stupid and deserve it, it's clearly about how rapists and a society that supports rape is terrible. If you don't understand the difference, I don't recommend rape jokes as part of your comedic repertoire.

On men getting raped, and it not being taken seriously and beig under-reported...did you ever consider that that is because rape is something that is feminized, being feminized as a man is a bad thing, and that's why men never report it? Suddenly, they're the victims in the rape joke and its not so funny anymore...tell your buddy who's not reporting his sexual assault a rape joke and you just drove home why he can't talk to you about it.
 
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Wait a minute. What does the R stand for in The acronym B.A.R.F.? :wtf

I think I had a similar incident when I joined the North American Male Bike Lovers Association.:cry
 
danate said:
They attract more women alright. Maybe not the kind you want though..

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:rofl where the hell did you even find that?
 
My take. Harley's cost $$$. You have a harley, you got money! Sportbikes are probably seen as toys anyone can afford. Also, don't forget the camaraderie, brotherhood and family aspect that an HD brings. I would think women are attracted also to the family aspect of that. Big gatherings of like minded people. What's not to love? I don't ride a Harley, but their parties look like a blast.

Need a bike I can lean on though.
 
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Z3n said:
Rape as a term isn't what's offensive - a joke where a rape victim is the butt of the joke is what's offensive. Louis CK's jokes on rape are hilarious because the subtext isnt about how rape victims are stupid and deserve it, it's clearly about how rapists and a society that supports rape is terrible. If you don't understand the difference, I don't recommend rape jokes as part of your comedic repertoire.

On men getting raped, and it not being taken seriously and beig under-reported...did you ever consider that that is because rape is something that is feminized, being feminized as a man is a bad thing, and that's why men never report it? Suddenly, they're the victims in the rape joke and its not so funny anymore...tell your buddy who's not reporting his sexual assault a rape joke and you just drove home why he can't talk to you about it.
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Your first paragraph is essentially the point I was making, so I have no argument. I DO understand the difference and therefore would prefer that we TEACH people to understand the difference instead of legislating out common sense like so many things in our country.

I never said I had a buddy who was sexually assaulted. I've seen many cases in my job, and most were very different than what is done to woman: more of an all out destruction of someone in a way worse than death. I deal with rape victims often. I work in mental health and I am a very caring and compassionate person. I have seen some terrible things and probably have PTSD myself. Comedy is a fantastic relief for many people and often times making light of a serious situation, especially one that's very embarrassing for someone, can make it seem less traumatic to them. Most rape victims I've interviewed more than anything want to get past it and not have it dredged up. They certainly don't want people to try and stand up on their behalf and defend them especially when that brings their trauma out into the open. However, what I've seen is that when you coddle and pad the walls for sensitive people (regardless of how legitimate their sensitivity is due to trauma, mental disorders or whatnot), they tend to become more sensitive and dependent. That leads them down a much worse path than learning to cope with society as it is. And yes, society is brutal.

For Budman, Louis CK is actually been revered for how feminist and anti-rape his comedy is. Sometimes you have to bring it out into the open to address it and as Z3n said it is far from offensive. Google Louis CK and feminist and you'll get some great examples. I won't post anymore of his material though if you don't want.
 
I would appreciate that one take not being posted. I just felt we had worked fairly well thru a d issue and that would open up a wound. I get what z3 is saying about it, but I think you have to analyze it to get it and plenty of folks won't do that.

Including me I guess :teeth.
 
danate said:
Your first paragraph is essentially the point I was making, so I have no argument. I DO understand the difference and therefore would prefer that we TEACH people to understand the difference instead of legislating out common sense like so many things in our country.
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You teach people through setting rules and boundaries.

I never said I had a buddy who was sexually assaulted. I've seen many cases in my job, and most were very different than what is done to woman: more of an all out destruction of someone in a way worse than death. I deal with rape victims often. I work in mental health and I am a very caring and compassionate person. I have seen some terrible things and probably have PTSD myself. Comedy is a fantastic relief for many people and often times making light of a serious situation, especially one that's very embarrassing for someone, can make it seem less traumatic to them. Most rape victims I've interviewed more than anything want to get past it and not have it dredged up. They certainly don't want people to try and stand up on their behalf and defend them especially when that brings their trauma out into the open. However, what I've seen is that when you coddle and pad the walls for sensitive people (regardless of how legitimate their sensitivity is due to trauma, mental disorders or whatnot), they tend to become more sensitive and dependent. That leads them down a much worse path than learning to cope with society as it is. And yes, society is brutal.
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The problem is still that you're elevating your judgement over the experiences of others. Ultimately, that is the problem at the core of it. You assume based off your experience (which, btw, is not at all backup up by social science evidence and large, statistically validated studies) that you can dictate what is and what isnt acceptable based on a group of people that doesn't apply to the community present here, because you have no way of knowing who is reading. Multiple women have spoken out in this thread saying that rape jokes make them feel unwelcome - that should be enough to cause people to lay off the rape jokes, and yet you still have people claiming that "most victims shouldnt be coddled", that to ask people to not make rape jokes would magically turn the place into Disneyland, and other such BS. The way that someone chooses to address their history is between them and their support structures, making that decision for them will always end up being insensitive and non-welcoming when exposed to a large enough group (as you are clearly addressing here).

The point about a male friend who is raped - I'm not talking about a specific friend there, but as a hypothetical. Men often don't speak out about rape and sexual assault because of the social stigma against speaking out about rape goes double for men, because rape is something that happens to women and a lot of other social bullshit that is tied up in masculinity. It's a longer conversation, but functionally rape jokes also support men under-reporting rape in the same way that it affects women, except with an additional side of social shame for being a male victim of a female associated sexual assault.


For Budman, Louis CK is actually been revered for how feminist and anti-rape his comedy is. Sometimes you have to bring it out into the open to address it and as Z3n said it is far from offensive. Google Louis CK and feminist and you'll get some great examples. I won't post anymore of his material though if you don't want.
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The difference is that people should have the choice to be exposed to what media they want. This is true across the board - this is why we have ESRB ratings, nudity in public laws, and a host of other things. Back in the 1600s a good time was going to see a bag of cats get thrown in a fire, now that would be animal cruelty, and rightly so - society progresses onward with being better to each other, and the modern aspect of that progress is giving people the decency and respect to not call them racial slurs or remind them of past abuses.
 
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Well since my "elevated judgement" has no merit according to Z3n, who obviously is deserved of his elevated judgement and has backed it up with numerous social science evidence and large, statistically validated studies, I will humbly give in. We should add a TOS rule banning all rape jokes, since apparently the only way to teach is by adding rules.

Maybe my view is jaded because I deal with all the people the supposed "support structures" leave behind. I really don't care about the rape joke thing. I am really against censorship especially on the internet and it's clear our society is not headed that way. As you said, everything we have done so far has been great progress as a civilization. We're unhealthier than ever. Our planet is near destroyed. We're ruled by social media and the new generation is severely lacking in any real social skills. Not much point in arguing since the next super disease is around the corner waiting to wipe us out because we can't be trusted with antibiotics. Soon the FBI will be able to read all our cell phone data so they can truly moderate us and keep a Z3n-approved society.
 
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danate said:
Well since my "elevated judgement" has no merit according to Z3n, who obviously is deserved of his elevated judgement and has backed it up with numerous social science evidence and large, statistically validated studies, I will humbly give in. We should add a TOS rule banning all rape jokes, since apparently the only way to teach is by adding rules.

Maybe my view is jaded because I deal with all the people the supposed "support structures" leave behind. I really don't care about the rape joke thing. I am really against censorship especially on the internet and it's clear our society is not headed that way. As you said, everything we have done so far has been great progress as a civilization. We're unhealthier than ever. Our planet is near destroyed. We're ruled by social media and the new generation is severely lacking in any real social skills. Not much point in arguing since the next super disease is around the corner waiting to wipe us out because we can't be trusted with antibiotics. Soon the FBI will be able to read all our cell phone data so they can truly moderate us and keep a Z3n-approved society.
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This is hyperbolic and rather absurd. The world isn't made better by expecting that everyone is going to simply rise to the occasion. It's made better by effective rules, put in place and enforced by whatever philosophical social contracts you wanna apply to society. Rules and regulations are what protect the world from exploitation. We've done a hell of a lot of mucking up the works of reasonable government through assorted bullshit, that just happens to align with corporate interests that are presently exploiting the shit out of government structures that are supposed to serve the people.

You want to fix that shit? Realize that laws and regulation are the nature of a civilized society. Agreed upon and codified rules of behavior are what keeps society running. Free speech has a purpose when you're using it to speak truth to power. But speaking truth to power comes with responsibility - people misuse that responsibility in myriad ways, and the way to address that is through considered regulation, which includes reasonable constraints on free speech where the downsides outweigh the positives. BARF isn't the place where we speak truth to power, this is the place where we try and have reasonable, civil conversations around motorcycles and other assorted bullshit that are supposed to be inclusive of anyone who wants to share a hobby. If you wanna prove the values of free speech, use it to speak truth to power rather than reminding abuse victims of the abuse they've experienced in direct opposition to basically every piece of research on helping people handle mental trauma.

Also free speech on the internet is fucking dead. Your hardware, software, supply chain, and infrastructure is all compromised. If they want to censor, change, blackhole, or otherwise fuck with anything, they can, and the only thing that stops them is the modicum of regulation around it.
 
Well, you know what they say about arguing on the internet.... (can't say it because it would get censored).

Enjoy your delusions Z3n.
 
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PunkRockMonkey said:
The Motorcycle Sex Theorem
The simple fact that you ride a motorcycle will not get you laid.* † ‡ **

*Unless it’s a Harley.
†Or maybe a Ducati; if you’re trying to pick up girls in North Beach/Marina.
‡The kind of girl that would sleep with you simply because you ride a Harley would probably
. . A) have you on Jerry Springer in 6 months time, or
. . B) have you take the rap for trafficking crystal meth the next time you get pulled over. So, ask yourself, “Is it really worth it?”
**None of the above applies if you’re a woman. If you’re female, you ride a motorcycle, and you STILL can’t get laid… nobody can help you. Join a convent.



(side note to Harley riders who might take offense to above theorem: please consider the fact that I cited very specifically girls that "would sleep with you simply because you ride a Harley". This does not include women who date Harley riders simply because they're great guys/gals. Besides, I like my teeth where they are. Inside my mouth):teeth
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EnderWiggin said:
I think we all need to calm down and just do some casual raping.
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Dude, that's in really poor taste. Please don't make these type of comments on BARF.
 
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