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Ev trucks - 2022+

SM610 said:
My buddies and i think that a real hybrid truck, such as a RAM 1500, with a 3 cyl diesel and a big battery getting 45 mpg ish would be a seriously hard to beat truck. My truck gets 15mpg under the best circumstances and I wouldnt hesitate to buy such a thing.

They could even make it like a train, with electric drive motors and the diesel only charges battery. Make it charge your house batteries, etc...

Edit - yea, i know. They want to get ride of the ICE thing altogether. The world just isnt ready yet.
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That concept is what doomed the Fisker Karma. People hated that when they stomped on the accelerator the engine noise didn't change.
 
Rivian is a way better deal than the Silverado or Hummer, but depending on your use case the F150 may be the better deal. I expect Ford to continue dominating the fleet sales, everything from cities to construction teams to oil field workers and such.

I don't see the Hummer doing much outside of LA or Miami, and $105k for an electric Silverado just doesn't make sense to me. Even small farm operations would likely be better served by the F150.
 
I saw a Rivian for the first time in the wild. I think its awsome. Everyone has there own taste for style.
 
Saw my first Lucid (outside of the store at the mall) last week. A real retail delivered car too, not a presser. Some good lines on it, but I fear they maybe have gone a little too far “car of the future” look with it that seems to really polarize people when it comes to EVs and some other alternative fuel vehicles. That’s the one thing I’ll give Tesla credit for, nothing looks like it’s trying to look like George Jet son’s car. When the Model S came out, they could’ve slapped a Buick LaCrosse badge on it, and everyone would have been like, yeah ok that seems right.

But this? Maybe too far. Interior is amazing though.
 

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Tally Whacker said:
I have high hopes for Lordstown. I really want one of their trucks, especially since they are aiming at the work truck/fleet sales market and not the Range Rover crowd like the Rivian.
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I would pick a different horse/not hold your breath.

https://hindenburgresearch.com/lordstown/

Now, to be very clear, Hindenberg Research is not a journalism outfit, they are an investment company and they are shorting Lordstown for the reasons listed. However, their findings have been backed up by journalists. The company has a lot of issues and a vaporware product, and there is a good reason that their stock price went from 30+ a share to about 3 bucks a share.


Johndicezx9 said:
The clamshell trunk line ruins what could be a clean design.
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lizard said:
Agree. Its like 2 different cars: swoopy front end with Benz CL coupe buttfucked by Lincoln Mark VIII.
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I think that the design works really well in a 2 tone colorway, and kinda derpy and weird at some angles in a single tone.

Like, I think this looks pretty good:

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NorCalAthlete said:
Rivian is a way better deal than the Silverado or Hummer, but depending on your use case the F150 may be the better deal. I expect Ford to continue dominating the fleet sales, everything from cities to construction teams to oil field workers and such.

I don't see the Hummer doing much outside of LA or Miami, and $105k for an electric Silverado just doesn't make sense to me. Even small farm operations would likely be better served by the F150.
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IMO the ones that make sense to me are the Rivian, the F150, and to a lesser extent the weird egg Canoo. Those 3 at least look like they were designed to do truck things reasonably well (particularly the F150, which looks like it's basically a tried and true F150, just electric.)

The other designs look more like they are designed primarily to look macho, but not actually be great as trucks.
 
Johndicezx9 said:
$105k...
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4.5 sec is eye popping only because it's embarrassingly slow for every other comparable ev... They should remove that as a selling point...in real-life it's quick, but 3 seconds looks a whole lot better in the paper stat wars.
 
Johndicezx9 said:
It's gonna be heavy, like real heavy.... :dunno
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Batteries are heavy. The Rivian is the size of a Tacoma but the weight of a 3/4 ton (it's over 8,000 GVWR).

https://insideevs.com/news/536753/rivian-r1t-gvwr-heavy-duty/

Perhaps the most interesting is the R1T’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 8,532 lbs (3,870 kg). That implies that it won’t be classified as a half-ton pickup but as a 3/4-ton heavy-duty truck, mostly due to the added weight of the battery pack.

The EPA rules that trucks weighing between 8,501 to 10,000 lbs (3,856–4,536 kg) are classified as EPA Class 2b, which puts the Rivian R1T in the same category as the Ford F-250, Chevrolet Silverado 2500, and Ram 2500.

Trucks in this segment are designed to handle tougher work and higher loads than their half-ton counterparts (the F-150, Silverado 1500, and Ram 1500). To get an idea where to place the R1T in the current market, here are the GVWR ratings for many other popular pickup trucks, courtesy of TFL Truck.

  • Toyota Tacoma: GVWR = 5,600 lbs
  • Ford Ranger: GVWR = 6,050 lbs
  • Nissan Frontier: GVWR = 6,012 lbs
  • Ford F-150 Hybrid: GVWR = 7,350 lbs
  • Toyota Tundra Hybrid: GVWR = 7,660 lbs
  • Rivian R1T: GVWR = 8,532 lbs
  • Nissan Titan XD: GVWR = 8,800 lbs
  • Chevy Silverado 2500: GVWR = 10,850 lbs

While the R1T’s GVWR places it in the heavy-duty category, its dimensions do not. The electric pickup is slightly bigger than the Toyota Tacoma crew cab and a bit smaller than a Ford F-150 crew cab.
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For the price of these EVs new, I'm still going to be adding a used 4 door diesel within 2 years.

400 miles range is cool if you're towing nothing and on flat ground.
 
SM610 said:
My buddies and i think that a real hybrid truck, such as a RAM 1500, with a 3 cyl diesel and a big battery getting 45 mpg ish would be a seriously hard to beat truck. My truck gets 15mpg under the best circumstances and I wouldnt hesitate to buy such a thing.

They could even make it like a train, with electric drive motors and the diesel only charges battery. Make it charge your house batteries, etc...

Edit - yea, i know. They want to get ride of the ICE thing altogether. The world just isnt ready yet.
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I really don't understand why so much of the truck market might be skipping hybrid. A hybrid makes a lot of sense for people that actually use trucks for recreation towing - boats, motorcycles, etc. My 4cyl Taco would be amazing with another 100 ft-lb from an electric motor. Hopefully the hybrid Transit and Tundra sell really well and shifts the market that way. And hopefully the new Taco is hybrid instead of full EV.
 
Derp. Didn't read prev post all the way thru


Let's see how the hybrid tundra does....
 
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stangmx13 said:
I really don't understand why so much of the truck market might be skipping hybrid. A hybrid makes a lot of sense for people that actually use trucks for recreation towing - boats, motorcycles, etc. My 4cyl Taco would be amazing with another 100 ft-lb from an electric motor. Hopefully the hybrid Transit and Tundra sell really well and shifts the market that way. And hopefully the new Taco is hybrid instead of full EV.
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Dodge Ram 1500s do have a hybrid option - 400 hp HEMI + 130 hp electric. However, there's still no ability to operate on electric only mode. I think that's the real kicker that would make it more enticing. Electric-only even for just 30 miles or so would save a ton just for grocery runs and the around town stuff, and then everything else kicks in for longer hauls / more power needed for towing etc.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Dodge Ram 1500s do have a hybrid option - 400 hp HEMI + 130 hp electric. However, there's still no ability to operate on electric only mode. I think that's the real kicker that would make it more enticing. Electric-only even for just 30 miles or so would save a ton just for grocery runs and the around town stuff, and then everything else kicks in for longer hauls / more power needed for towing etc.
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Ahh, I missed that truck in my searches.

Sounds like they'd need a bigger electric motor to allow EV-only in a truck that size. My 4dr 4cyl Taco doesnt have much more power. The driving experience would be terrible with even less power and more weight.
 
I love the plug-in hybrid configuration. I have a Chevy Volt, which was sadley discondinued years ago. Mary Barra, did you say that GM is the leader in EVs, again? You don't say.

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What is weird, IMHO, is that plug-in hybrids never really became that popular as I expected and so many people just when all in BEV.
 
How much worse are the roads going to get with these 10,000 pound behemoths bouncing around. The wheel ruts in hot asphalt are going to have regular cars dragging their undercarriage. BMWs with lowering springs getting high centered on the freeway.
 
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