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Facebook (lack of) Privacy ? !

wazzuFreddo said:
I didn't mean the users, I meant Facebook themselves. I don't think they ever considered that their website could be used for things other than "Give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together."

:dunno
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ah ok, i misinterpreted
 
bikewanker said:
I didn't peruse the sink in 2012 so this is likely old news;
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-scandal-trump-election-obama-2012/.
Damn equal opportunity capitalist pissed off the loser's!
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Although in both cases FB privacy settings sucked as they allowed apps to suck in data about friends, the key difference is in Obama campaign users knew what they were downloading and for what purpose vs Trump case users thought they were doing it for academic purposes. Not to mention from BBC undercover story Cambridge Analytic seems to be shady AF.

In either case micro targeting to individuals has too much potential for abuse, specially in current tribalism mindset, and should be cracked down on.
 
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planegray said:
My apologies for the quotes and links, but this shit is getting complicated and I'd rather not misrepresent something that I don't fully understand ;)
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No worries. More than most people would bother to do.
 
Using Fecklessbook and thinking there are good data suckers and bad data suckers is like thinking there are good cigarettes and bad cigarettes. The first mistake is believing what FB says, the second mistake is believing that dumping your personal details into a shareholder value driven company and expecting it not to be used for a different reason is reality.

Then there is the lemming factor, how many people joined FB just because someone they know did and never thought past being part of the group...think?
 
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wazzuFreddo said:
I didn't mean the users, I meant Facebook themselves. I don't think they ever considered that their website could be used for things other than "Give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together."

:dunno
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I think you're giving them too much of a free pass.

Facebook top people want to be rich and they want to remain at the top and will do anything to stay there, that's the way corporations work. I haven't seen or heard anything that gives me the impression that they are idealistic towards their users, if they had been they would have been far, far more proactive in assuring that Cambridge had deleted the data rather than just covering their own asses legally. They should have written in a poison pill for Cambridge in the agreement that they had deleted the data, one that would have seen not only the company utterly destroyed with an enormous payment due if they lied but every top person in the company financially responsible if they lied. WTF would you take the word of a company and company officers who had lied and misled to get the data in the first place?

Zuckerberg deserves to be taking a shit-ton of heat over this, as does Facebook. I heard that the fines alone could (probably won't, but there is a very good reason why he's talking like he has a conscience) top $2 Trillion. They are in legal 'batten down the storm windows and ride this out' mode, they will say or do anything to avoid getting hit with huge fines.
 
I especially love when people are ridiculed for being taken advantage of.

Warms the cockles of my cold heart.
 
mean dad said:
I especially love when people are ridiculed for being taken advantage of.

Warms the cockles of my cold heart.
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How was he taken advantage of?

Originally, I can see it, but the follow-up action was something else.
 
bikewanker said:
I didn't peruse the sink in 2012 so this is likely old news;
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-scandal-trump-election-obama-2012/.
Damn equal opportunity capitalist pissed off the loser's!
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From your link:
"The only difference, as far as we can discern, between the two campaigns' use of Facebook, is that in the case of Obama the users themselves agreed to share their data with the Obama campaign, as well as that of their friends.

The users that downloaded the Cambridge app, meanwhile, were only told that the information would be used for academic purposes. Nor was the data to be used for anything other than academic purposes."

:laughing Not much difference... imo
Thanks for that link.... You've added some perspective for me :hail



Climber said:
I think you're giving them too much of a free pass.

Facebook top people want to be rich and they want to remain at the top and will do anything to stay there, that's the way corporations work. I haven't seen or heard anything that gives me the impression that they are idealistic towards their users, if they had been they would have been far, far more proactive in assuring that Cambridge had deleted the data rather than just covering their own asses legally. They should have written in a poison pill for Cambridge in the agreement that they had deleted the data, one that would have seen not only the company utterly destroyed with an enormous payment due if they lied but every top person in the company financially responsible if they lied. WTF would you take the word of a company and company officers who had lied and misled to get the data in the first place?

Zuckerberg deserves to be taking a shit-ton of heat over this, as does Facebook. I heard that the fines alone could (probably won't, but there is a very good reason why he's talking like he has a conscience) top $2 Trillion. They are in legal 'batten down the storm windows and ride this out' mode, they will say or do anything to avoid getting hit with huge fines.
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Like msethhunter asked; "what laws were broken ? "

Do you wonder that maybe Facebook has been giving up all that data to "Our" State department all along do you ? Maybe there's been collusion since always ? That would certainly help keep facebook in good graces with the gubment
 
planegray said:
Like msethhunter asked; "what laws were broken ? "

Do you wonder that maybe Facebook has been giving up all that data to "Our" State department all along do you ? Maybe there's been collusion since always ? That would certainly help keep facebook in good graces with the gubment
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It's a social media company, they got the vast majority of their value from being social, so even though they took the 'legally sound' route doesn't mean that they took the socially sound route.

Live by the social perception, die by the social perception. Remember that Facebook exists today as it was because of the death of myspace.
 
renxianqiclone said:
Don't forget Brave New World!
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:thumbup

Oh yeah, and "Deep State" !

Climber said:
It's a social media company, they got the vast majority of their value from being social, so even though they took the 'legally sound' route doesn't mean that they took the socially sound route.

Live by the social perception, die by the social perception. Remember that Facebook exists today as it was because of the death of myspace.
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We can only hope..... I don't think most facebook people really care though.... it's become a part of their life.
 
aminalmutha said:
Not saying THAT at all. Saying there's always gotta be a face and sometimes the public demands blood.
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Indeed, but they don't always get it. There have been a bunch of legal fights happening behind the scenes the last few years between Governments and big tech. The Feds want access to all of your information going into the digital world. All your Bookface, all your Cloud Docs, all your Instant Messages. They want free search access to all of it, but they want the Private Corps to host and sell the products, so they aren't running a, "surveillance state."

Tech knows if that gets out, it will hurt their bottom line, so they are resisting.

Now when some shit goes down that could result in legal action and bad press, all of the sudden, the Feds can play, "Let's make a deal!"
 
Eldritch said:
Indeed, but they don't always get it. There have been a bunch of legal fights happening behind the scenes the last few years between Governments and big tech. The Feds want access to all of your information going into the digital world. All your Bookface, all your Cloud Docs, all your Instant Messages. They want free search access to all of it, but they want the Private Corps to host and sell the products, so they aren't running a, "surveillance state."

Tech knows if that gets out, it will hurt their bottom line, so they are resisting.

Now when some shit goes down that could result in legal action and bad press, all of the sudden, the Feds can play, "Let's make a deal!"
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It will get better, or it will get worse, in terms of privacy.

It really depends on who is calling the shots from the feds ($2 Trillion is a big hammer) and what their agenda is.

The people should be paying attention to this and let the politicians know that they are because this seems like a big turning point for the better or worse.

Personally, I don't put much onto facebook that could be used to learn much about me...
 
Climber said:
How was he taken advantage of?

Originally, I can see it, but the follow-up action was something else.
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I mean the derision and scorn heaped on users of fb and other platforms. The automatic default to "They're taking all the data they can unless you expressly tell them not to but they'll probably do it anyway so shut up and stop whining or stop using modern tech".
Everyone is supposed to inherently know that all the corporations want is every last bit of privacy you think you have so it can be mined for trends and subsequently monetized and if you don't know that you're fucking stupid and deserve to be exploited and let's not get started on big gov having their hand in everything because if you have nothing to hide then why do you care if you're being tracked everywhere.
 
mean dad said:
I mean the derision and scorn heaped on users of fb and other platforms. The automatic default to "They're taking all the data they can unless you expressly tell them not to but they'll probably do it anyway so shut up and stop whining or stop using modern tech".
Everyone is supposed to inherently know that all the corporations want is every last bit of privacy you think you have so it can be mined for trends and subsequently monetized and if you don't know that you're fucking stupid and deserve to be exploited and let's not get started on big gov having their hand in everything because if you have nothing to hide then why do you care if you're being tracked everywhere.
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Didn't you know? We're all supposed to devote half our lives researching the minute details about online privacy, food ingredients, household chemicals, healthcare, drugs, health record storage, cloud storage, investments, mortgages, insurance, and everything else. It's all our fault if something bad happens. Corporations are never to blame, because after all, it's perfectly understandable for them to do anything they can to maximize profit.

Bootstraps, yo!!
 
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Climber said:
Personally, I don't put much onto facebook that could be used to learn much about me...
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They don't need to hear directly from you. They can derive everything they need to know based on who you connect to, your location, and what sites you visit (like button lets them spy on that.)
 
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