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[Kurosaki]

"Peers" is not that literal. "Peers" simply means other schmucks who happen to live in the same community as your dumb ass.

(A55, the general "your", not you personally.)

Nah, I need 'peers' to be literal. If I rob a convenience store in my Spider-Man costume and get caught... I don't want the jury to be a bunch of people who think cosplay is stupid and immature.

 

[SM610]

Nah, I need 'peers' to be literal. If I rob a convenience store in my Spider-Man costume and get caught... I don't want the jury to be a bunch of people who think cosplay is stupid and immature.

Good luck with THAT...

 

[Eldritch]

Instructions are a far shot from legal training.

That's like expecting armchair quarterbacks to be on par with NFL coaches.

Personally, I think that many sets of jurors get led around by the nose by talented lawyers who convince them that their version of the truth and interpretation of the law is the one the jurors should believe and apply. The don't even begin to have even a foundation of knowledge to know how to interpret the laws that apply to many cases. If it was that simple, why do lawyers have to go to law school for 3 years?

I mean, it sounds like it is a semantic argument you are after, because my definition is broader and more far reaching than yours?

Calling it legal training is a stretch, but jury instructions are a very important foundation of the trial by peer system. I can only hope juries will comprehend and follow them. It's obvious that doesn't always happen.

As much as I sometimes dislike the jury of peers system, I am still glad we have one.

The lawyers will make sure it's enough to get themselves paid handsomely.

Agreed on all counts.

Nah, I need 'peers' to be literal. If I rob a convenience store in my Spider-Man costume and get caught... I don't want the jury to be a bunch of people who think cosplay is stupid and immature.

LOL, I like where you are going with that, although it is subject to a certain amount of wiggle. What you described is actually WHY the jury selection process is so important.

 

[bojangle]

Nah, I need 'peers' to be literal. If I rob a convenience store in my Spider-Man costume and get caught... I don't want the jury to be a bunch of people who think cosplay is stupid and immature.

LOL, I like where you are going with that, although it is subject to a certain amount of wiggle. What you described is actually WHY the jury selection process is so important.

Hey, I mean, if I ever got brought up on charges having to do with an on duty use of force, you're damn straight I'd want a jury of all cops. But that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Climber]

I wonder if anybody has ever argued that the jury wasn't actually a jury of their peers.

 

[AdamFiveFive]

I suppose we don't have to go back too far in history to when certain people did get a jury of their peers. It was a part of the ugly side of history. White people committed crimes against black people. They got a white jury. Jury acquits. That's why we no longer get a jury of our peers. Lawyers, during the jury selection process, can disqualify jurors that opposing counsel wants. Imagine being able to stack the jury in your favor. Scott Peterson could have had OJ Simpson on the jury, instead of Strawberry Shortcake.