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Former UFC HW Champ arrested for attempted murder

Eldritch said:
Yeah, I mean, I don't know this dudes medical or personal history, right?

Just because he isn't getting arrested or in the news every time, doesn't mean he is DOING shit. Some cats slide under the radar like that you know?
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I understand that and I'm saying as a fan of the sport, someone who trains, who has a little bit more back history of who he is than you do, he is not that kinda guy with repeated cases of destructive behavior. I hope there is no foul play with the court and lawyers but however this turns out, it is what it is.

I'm pushing back on the uninformed idea that because he is a fighter, maybe has some level of CTE, that means he's prone to violence more than any other person. It just isn't true. The average person who has never stepped foot inside a dojo, or a boxing club, or a wrestling room, or a jiu jitsu gym is much more likely to commit acts of violence in my experience.

There could be a ton of things that come to light soon about Cain we didn't know before and if so, we can judge him for them. Outside of this, he's never been an athlete that's in the public eye for crimes and general fuck ups overall. When a football/basketball/baseball player commits a crime, it isn't immediately attributed to their sport, outside of the temptation of fame which applies to every celebrity.
 
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so he was the father and not the uncle of the abused victim

fukn took forever for this to come to light
 
Kurosaki said:
I understand that and I'm saying as a fan of the sport, someone who trains, who has a little bit more back history of who he is than you do, he is not that kinda guy with repeated cases of destructive behavior.
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Maybe so but a murder isn’t a murder until they murder someone.
Then it becomes a title like Mr or Miss.
 
Because of the accused's "celebrity" status, this case has been plunged into the national spotlight. The "celebrity" attorney will also keep the case in the public eye. The Santa Clara District Attorney is handling this case differently. It has to throw the book at the defendant. There won't be any prosecutorial leniency or discretion. Plea bargains won't even be on the table.

It's pointless to speculate on what might happen if the accused were not a celebrity, or if the case was not already being presented to the press.

Sure, there may be people more familiar with the justice system, who could speculate on possible defense strategy. What we do know, is that the defendant fired a gun, at an occupied vehicle, and people were struck by the bullets. What we don't know, is his state of mind.

This case will go to trial. The Santa Clara District Attorney will not allow him to plea to some lesser and included charges, or offer a reduced sentence. We will not hear that Mr. Velazquez pled guilty to possessing a concealed firearm, or discharging a firearm in city limits, then get 2 years probation.

What I will enjoy will be the Mark Geragos press statements. He has already begun with very colorful commentary. You can expect the District Attorney's Office to hold back on the press conferences.

I have my personal views on Mr. Velazquez, on the actions he took. I get it. We all have very strong emotions about justice, vengeance, the legal system.

If anyone wants to support Mr. Velazquez, they should send a check to his family, and send a check to his lawyer.
 
Kurosaki said:
I understand that and I'm saying as a fan of the sport, someone who trains, who has a little bit more back history of who he is than you do, he is not that kinda guy with repeated cases of destructive behavior. I hope there is no foul play with the court and lawyers but however this turns out, it is what it is.

I'm pushing back on the uninformed idea that because he is a fighter, maybe has some level of CTE, that means he's prone to violence more than any other person. It just isn't true. The average person who has never stepped foot inside a dojo, or a boxing club, or a wrestling room, or a jiu jitsu gym is much more likely to commit acts of violence in my experience.

There could be a ton of things that come to light soon about Cain we didn't know before and if so, we can judge him for them. Outside of this, he's never been an athlete that's in the public eye for crimes and general fuck ups overall. When a football/basketball/baseball player commits a crime, it isn't immediately attributed to their sport, outside of the temptation of fame which applies to every celebrity.
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Yeah, I am mostly with you, but it seems like every time a retired football player goes bananas, people be talking about CTE, mainly people who don't follow the sport.

My position is the same as it pretty much always is on this shit.

We don't know anything, internet speculation is useless, no one gets to determine blame unless they have been a part of the court proceedings, and I will be interested to see the results when the case is closed.
 
It was his child?
More will be revealed as you have stated. Temporary insanity will be hard to prove if he understood the nature of his actions.
 
Melissa said:
It was his child?
More will be revealed as you have stated. Temporary insanity will be hard to prove if he understood the nature of his actions.
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Juries are unpredictable. It's not what you can prove. It's how the group of people decide to vote. Juries are humans with emotions. And practically zero knowledge of statutory and case law. Most people only know about the law, what they've seen on television. Who knows what the jurors will feel about Mr. Velazquez, his state of mind, or his diminished capacity. They could return with guilty. Not guilty, or a hung jury.
 
AdamFiveFive said:
Juries are unpredictable. It's not what you can prove. It's how the group of people decide to vote. Juries are humans with emotions. And practically zero knowledge of statutory and case law. Most people only know about the law, what they've seen on television. Who knows what the jurors will feel about Mr. Velazquez, his state of mind, or his diminished capacity. They could return with guilty. Not guilty, or a hung jury.
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Court cases often come down to which side can present their version of the 'truth' better...propaganda works in court.

Most people have this misconception that each side presents their facts and makes their case and the case is decided on merit. That couldn't be further from the truth, both sides will present their heavily slanted version and the jury will act on their perception on what should happen.
 
Blankpage said:
Wonder is Cain still thinks it was a good idea.
I suspect his bros at the gym were filling him with tales of what they would do. Of course I could be totally wrong about that also.
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This would hardly be his 'bros' motivating him to do this.

All the pressure/anger would most likely come from his family. If my daughter was molested, my wife would literally hand me a gun and say 'you know what to do'. Any reasoning about how that would take me away from my family and not being able to help recover would be met with all kinds of directed anger/rage/pressure. All this on top of how i'd already be feeling.

I seriously doubt CTE plays any part in this. Being a father, someone whose only charge in life is to protect family, that pressure is real, both internally and externally.
 
Eldritch said:
Yeah, I am mostly with you, but it seems like every time a retired football player goes bananas, people be talking about CTE, mainly people who don't follow the sport.

My position is the same as it pretty much always is on this shit.

We don't know anything, internet speculation is useless, no one gets to determine blame unless they have been a part of the court proceedings, and I will be interested to see the results when the case is closed.
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To be fair, football fans only seem to care about CTE when a player goes off the rails but ignored it for the rest of their career. Combat sports fans are actively much more aware of the long term damage that can and often does happen and will hope a fighter that's been in too many wars will retire instead of taking one more fight. The same person that thinks MMA and combat sports in general are too brutal and bloody also cheer when a 300lb dude steamrolls the quarterback of the team they don't like. :dunno

This is a pet peeve of mine and an entirely different discussion. Don't want to derail the thread too much because I don't believe CTE is a factor in Cain's case. I'll step down from my soap box.
 
Probably the slam dunk case of Cain.

I'm also curious if the pedo is found guilty, will the owner of the daycare also be held responsible.
 
Akira-R said:
Probably the slam dunk case of Cain.

I'm also curious if the pedo is found guilty, will the owner of the daycare also be held responsible.
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the fact they havent been charged with an accessory crimes as of yet leads me to believe the DA dos not think they knew
 
She let a non employee have unsupervised access to the children in her charge. There is liability there at least civilly, maybe not criminally. I wonder if anyone here knows the laws concerning daycare.

I grew up down the street from this place. I just saw the address and seen how close i lived to it.
 
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